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From: Jan Kara <[email protected]>
To: Stefan Roesch <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected]
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 15/18] mm: support write throttling for async buffered writes
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 19:47:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On Tue 26-04-22 10:43:32, Stefan Roesch wrote:
> This change adds support for async write throttling in the function
> balance_dirty_pages(). So far if throttling was required, the code was
> waiting synchronously as long as the writes were throttled. This change
> introduces asynchronous throttling. Instead of waiting in the function
> balance_dirty_pages(), the timeout is set in the task_struct field
> bdp_pause. Once the timeout has expired, the writes are no longer
> throttled.
> 
> - Add a new parameter to the balance_dirty_pages() function
>   - This allows the caller to pass in the nowait flag
>   - When the nowait flag is specified, the code does not wait in
>     balance_dirty_pages(), but instead stores the wait expiration in the
>     new task_struct field bdp_pause.
> 
> - The function balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited() resets the new values
>   in the task_struct, once the timeout has expired
> 
> This change is required to support write throttling for the async
> buffered writes. While the writes are throttled, io_uring still can make
> progress with processing other requests.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Stefan Roesch <[email protected]>

Maybe I miss something but I don't think this will throttle writers enough.
For three reasons:

1) The calculated throttling pauses should accumulate for the task so that
if we compute that say it takes 0.1s to write 100 pages and the task writes
300 pages, the delay adds up to 0.3s properly. Otherwise the task would not
be throttled as long as we expect the writeback to take.

2) We must not allow the amount of dirty pages to exceed the dirty limit.
That can easily lead to page reclaim getting into trouble reclaiming pages
and thus machine stalls, oom kills etc. So if we are coming close to dirty
limit and we cannot sleep, we must just fail the nowait write.

3) Even with above two problems fixed I suspect results will be suboptimal
because balance_dirty_pages() heuristics assume they get called reasonably
often and throttle writes so if amount of dirty pages is coming close to
dirty limit, they think we are overestimating writeback speed and update
throttling parameters accordingly. So if io_uring code does not throttle
writers often enough, I think dirty throttling parameters will be jumping
wildly resulting in poor behavior.

So what I'd probably suggest is that if balance_dirty_pages() is called in
"async" mode, we'd give tasks a pass until dirty_freerun_ceiling(). If
balance_dirty_pages() decides the task needs to wait, we store the pause
and bail all the way up into the place where we can sleep (io_uring code I
assume), sleep there, and then continue doing write.

								Honza

-- 
Jan Kara <[email protected]>
SUSE Labs, CR


  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-28 17:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-26 17:43 [RFC PATCH v1 00/18] io-uring/xfs: support async buffered writes Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/18] block: add check for async buffered writes to generic_write_checks Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/18] mm: add FGP_ATOMIC flag to __filemap_get_folio() Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 19:06   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-04-28 19:54     ` Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/18] iomap: add iomap_page_create_gfp to allocate iomap_pages Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/18] iomap: use iomap_page_create_gfp() in __iomap_write_begin Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/18] iomap: add async buffered write support Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/18] xfs: add iomap " Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 22:54   ` Dave Chinner
2022-04-28 20:03     ` Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/18] fs: split off need_remove_file_privs() do_remove_file_privs() Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/18] fs: split off need_file_update_time and do_file_update_time Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/18] fs: add pending file update time flag Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/18] xfs: Enable async write file modification handling Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 22:55   ` Dave Chinner
2022-04-27 12:07   ` Christian Brauner
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/18] xfs: add async buffered write support Stefan Roesch
     [not found]   ` <[email protected]>
2022-04-28 19:58     ` Stefan Roesch
2022-04-28 21:54       ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]         ` <[email protected]>
     [not found]           ` <[email protected]>
2022-05-09 19:32             ` Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/18] io_uring: add support for async buffered writes Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/18] io_uring: add tracepoint for short writes Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 14/18] sched: add new fields to task_struct Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 15/18] mm: support write throttling for async buffered writes Stefan Roesch
2022-04-28 17:47   ` Jan Kara [this message]
2022-04-28 20:16     ` Stefan Roesch
     [not found]       ` <[email protected]>
     [not found]         ` <[email protected]>
2022-05-11 10:38           ` Jan Kara
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 16/18] iomap: User " Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/18] io_uring: support write " Stefan Roesch
2022-04-26 17:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 18/18] xfs: enable async buffered write support Stefan Roesch

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