From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on gnuweeb.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_SOFTFAIL, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2338C433EF for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2022 15:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1357281AbiCPPoR (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Mar 2022 11:44:17 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:42688 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1357294AbiCPPoO (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Mar 2022 11:44:14 -0400 Received: from mga01.intel.com (mga01.intel.com [192.55.52.88]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57E3713E1A; Wed, 16 Mar 2022 08:42:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=intel.com; i=@intel.com; q=dns/txt; s=Intel; t=1647445376; x=1678981376; h=message-id:date:mime-version:to:cc:references:from: subject:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ixp7OhMpuLHg7wYtSO0RbosnpcFuNIgV6KAlovOHN5A=; b=GHYvDGzSF9aScylHgvCprSxFoYbsmMcrk642cQFTR+uaG+RPXyNYTsGl ZlExH/teClHc4NY5eAGRdDR3K6SyevC2PM2EY18Nnw9KoD8DPoT9aonME uUyDCXJacBElgK6Wgbv0Kk7obaFgLaE9gCz0bpxCO1q9bK1VERWUgD54R Beb7iGthWP8/IVZiDp4io/AHuQangmz47S97Y6mEWbgQagWaXCA6ZN3p0 73R+knLWJzOPfM4nyvxNq6KUV38EWn60Mi+L0pM7Vah+OSbrV9izuSy+Z 1/sy2qf3EuHfaAJODtE61s0AAQUv/EKHnRHn4g1/UKoIKnMVgYWWrCegZ g==; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="6200,9189,10286"; a="281418833" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.90,186,1643702400"; d="scan'208";a="281418833" Received: from orsmga008.jf.intel.com ([10.7.209.65]) by fmsmga101.fm.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 16 Mar 2022 08:42:40 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.90,186,1643702400"; d="scan'208";a="557506601" Received: from jdwaldem-mobl.amr.corp.intel.com (HELO [10.255.228.230]) ([10.255.228.230]) by orsmga008-auth.jf.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 16 Mar 2022 08:42:40 -0700 Message-ID: <947c4872-df94-0091-ebbf-b733db4bd9d6@intel.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 08:42:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.0 Content-Language: en-US To: Jethro Beekman , Cathy Zhang , linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: ashok.raj@intel.com References: <20220315010300.10199-1-cathy.zhang@intel.com> <20220315010300.10199-10-cathy.zhang@intel.com> <53e7d3a3-a576-7ef1-fa2d-d170fa1172a1@fortanix.com> From: Dave Hansen Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 09/10] x86/cpu: Call ENCLS[EUPDATESVN] procedure in microcode update In-Reply-To: <53e7d3a3-a576-7ef1-fa2d-d170fa1172a1@fortanix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org On 3/16/22 02:46, Jethro Beekman wrote: >> +void update_cpusvn_intel(void) +{ + sgx_lock_epc(); + if >> (sgx_zap_pages()) > Doing this automatically and unconditionally during a microcode > update seems undesirable. This requires the userland tooling that is > coordinating the microcode update to be aware of any SGX enclaves > that are running and possibly coordinate sequencing with the > processes containing those enclaves. This coupling does not exist > today. "Today" in what? If a microcode update changes SGX behavior and bumps CPUSVN, it's fundamentally incompatible with letting enclaves continue to run. They might as well be killed. But, seriously, if you can't handle enclaves being killed every few months, don't use SGX. The architecture doesn't allow data to be persistent like normal x86. It's fundamental to the architecture. You can also think of this as a shiny new SGX *testing* feature: one that keeps enclave owners from becoming complacent and forgetting about what the SGX architecture provides.