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From: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
To: Willem de Bruijn <[email protected]>,
	David Ahern <[email protected]>,
	Breno Leitao <[email protected]>
Cc: Willem de Bruijn <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] add initial io_uring_cmd support for sockets
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023 08:54:49 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On 4/11/23 8:51?AM, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 4/11/23 8:36?AM, David Ahern wrote:
>>> On 4/11/23 6:00 AM, Breno Leitao wrote:
>>>> I am not sure if avoiding io_uring details in network code is possible.
>>>>
>>>> The "struct proto"->uring_cmd callback implementation (tcp_uring_cmd()
>>>> in the TCP case) could be somewhere else, such as in the io_uring/
>>>> directory, but, I think it might be cleaner if these implementations are
>>>> closer to function assignment (in the network subsystem).
>>>>
>>>> And this function (tcp_uring_cmd() for instance) is the one that I am
>>>> planning to map io_uring CMDs to ioctls. Such as SOCKET_URING_OP_SIOCINQ
>>>> -> SIOCINQ.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if you have any other idea in mind.
>>>
>>> I am not convinced that this io_uring_cmd is needed. This is one
>>> in-kernel subsystem calling into another, and there are APIs for that.
>>> All of this set is ioctl based and as Willem noted a little refactoring
>>> separates the get_user/put_user out so that in-kernel can call can be
>>> made with existing ops.
>>
>> How do you want to wire it up then? We can't use fops->unlocked_ioctl()
>> obviously, and we already have ->uring_cmd() for this purpose.
> 
> Does this suggestion not work?

Not sure I follow, what suggestion?

>>> I was thinking just having sock_uring_cmd call sock->ops->ioctl, like
>>> sock_do_ioctl.
>  
>> I do think the right thing to do is have a common helper that returns
>> whatever value you want (or sets it), and split the ioctl parts into a
>> wrapper around that that simply copies in/out as needed. Then
>> ->uring_cmd() could call that, or you could some exported function that
>> does supports that.
>>
>> This works for the basic cases, though I do suspect we'll want to go
>> down the ->uring_cmd() at some point for more advanced cases or cases
>> that cannot sanely be done in an ioctl fashion.
> 
> Right now the two examples are ioctls that return an integer. Do you 
> already have other calls in mind? That would help estimate whether
> ->uring_cmd() indeed will be needed and we might as well do it now.

Right, it's a proof of concept. But we'd want to support anything that
setsockopt/getsockopt would do. This is necessary so that direct
descriptors (eg ones that describe a struct file that isn't in the
process file table or have a regular fd) can be used for anything that a
regular file can. Beyond that, perhaps various things necessary for
efficient zero copy rx.

I do think we can make the ->uring_cmd() hookup a bit more palatable in
terms of API. It really should be just a sub-opcode and then arguments
to support that. The grunt of the work is really refactoring the ioctl
and set/getsockopt bits so that they can be called in-kernel rather than
assuming copy in/out is needed. Once that is done, the actual uring_cmd
hookup should be simple and trivial.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-11 14:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-06 14:43 [PATCH 0/5] add initial io_uring_cmd support for sockets Breno Leitao
2023-04-06 14:43 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] net: wire up support for file_operations->uring_cmd() Breno Leitao
2023-04-06 14:43 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] net: add uring_cmd callback to UDP Breno Leitao
2023-04-11 12:54   ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-04-06 14:43 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] net: add uring_cmd callback to TCP Breno Leitao
2023-04-06 14:43 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] net: add uring_cmd callback to raw "protocol" Breno Leitao
2023-04-06 15:34 ` [PATCH 0/5] add initial io_uring_cmd support for sockets Willem de Bruijn
2023-04-06 15:59   ` Breno Leitao
2023-04-06 18:16     ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-04-07  2:46       ` David Ahern
2023-04-11 12:00         ` Breno Leitao
2023-04-11 14:36           ` David Ahern
2023-04-11 14:41             ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-11 14:51               ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-04-11 14:54                 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2023-04-11 15:00                   ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-04-11 15:06                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-11 15:24                       ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-04-11 15:28                         ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-12 13:53                           ` Breno Leitao
2023-04-12 14:28                             ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-04-13  0:02                               ` Breno Leitao
2023-04-13 14:24                                 ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-04-13 14:45                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-13 14:57                                   ` David Laight
2023-04-18 13:23                                   ` Breno Leitao
2023-04-18 19:41                                     ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-04-20 14:43                                       ` Breno Leitao
2023-04-20 16:48                                         ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-04-11 15:10               ` David Ahern
2023-04-11 15:17                 ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-11 15:27                   ` David Ahern
2023-04-11 15:29                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-12  7:39                     ` David Laight
2023-04-06 16:41 ` Keith Busch
2023-04-06 16:49   ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-06 16:58   ` Breno Leitao
2023-04-06 16:57 ` [PATCH RFC] io_uring: Pass whole sqe to commands Breno Leitao
2023-04-07 18:51   ` Keith Busch
2023-04-11 12:22     ` Breno Leitao
2023-04-11 12:39       ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-04-13  2:56   ` Ming Lei
2023-04-13 16:47     ` Breno Leitao
2023-04-14  2:12       ` Ming Lei
2023-04-14 13:12         ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-04-14 13:59           ` Ming Lei
2023-04-14 14:56             ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-04-16  9:51               ` Ming Lei
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-05-02  9:21 [PATCH 0/5] add initial io_uring_cmd support for sockets Adrien Delorme
2023-05-02 13:03 ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-05-03 13:11   ` Adrien Delorme
2023-05-03 13:27     ` David Laight

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