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From: Bernd Schubert <[email protected]>
To: Ming Lei <[email protected]>
Cc: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
	"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
	"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
	"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
	Miklos Szeredi <[email protected]>,
	ZiyangZhang <[email protected]>,
	Xiaoguang Wang <[email protected]>,
	Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <[email protected]>,
	Dan Williams <[email protected]>,
	Amir Goldstein <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V6 00/17] io_uring/ublk: add generic IORING_OP_FUSED_CMD
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 22:38:09 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZECXiJ5aO/[email protected]>

On 4/20/23 03:38, Ming Lei wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 03:42:40PM +0000, Bernd Schubert wrote:
>> I very much see the use case for FUSED_CMD for overlay or simple network
>> sockets. Now in the HPC world one typically uses IB  RDMA and if that
>> fails for some reasons (like connection down), tcp or other interfaces
>> as fallback. And there is sending the right part of the buffer to the
>> right server and erasure coding involved - it gets complex and I don't
>> think there is a way for us without a buffer copy.
> 
> As I mentioned, it(checksum, encrypt, ...) becomes one generic issue if
> the zero copy approach is accepted, meantime the problem itself is well-defined,
> so I don't worry no solution can be figured out.
> 
> Meantime big memory copy does consume both cpu and memory bandwidth a
> lot, and 64k/512k ublk io has shown this big difference wrt. copy vs.
> zero copy.

I don't have any doubt about that, but I believe there is no current way 
to support it in all use cases. As example, let's consider we would like 
to extend nbd with verbs/rdma instead of plain tcp  - verbs/rdma needs 
registered memory and does not take a simple socket fd to send buffers to.


Thanks,
Bernd

      reply	other threads:[~2023-04-21 22:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-30 11:36 [PATCH V6 00/17] io_uring/ublk: add generic IORING_OP_FUSED_CMD Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 01/17] io_uring: increase io_kiocb->flags into 64bit Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 02/17] io_uring: use ctx->cached_sq_head to calculate left sqes Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 03/17] io_uring: add generic IORING_OP_FUSED_CMD Ming Lei
2023-04-01 14:35   ` Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 04/17] io_uring: support providing buffer by IORING_OP_FUSED_CMD Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 05/17] io_uring: support OP_READ/OP_WRITE for fused secondary request Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 06/17] io_uring: support OP_SEND_ZC/OP_RECV " Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 07/17] block: ublk_drv: add common exit handling Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 08/17] block: ublk_drv: don't consider flush request in map/unmap io Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 09/17] block: ublk_drv: add two helpers to clean up map/unmap request Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 10/17] block: ublk_drv: clean up several helpers Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 11/17] block: ublk_drv: cleanup 'struct ublk_map_data' Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 12/17] block: ublk_drv: cleanup ublk_copy_user_pages Ming Lei
2023-03-31 16:22   ` Bernd Schubert
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 13/17] block: ublk_drv: grab request reference when the request is handled by userspace Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 14/17] block: ublk_drv: support to copy any part of request pages Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 15/17] block: ublk_drv: add read()/write() support for ublk char device Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 16/17] block: ublk_drv: don't check buffer in case of zero copy Ming Lei
2023-03-30 11:36 ` [PATCH V6 17/17] block: ublk_drv: apply io_uring FUSED_CMD for supporting " Ming Lei
2023-03-31 19:13   ` Bernd Schubert
2023-04-01 13:19     ` Ming Lei
2023-03-31 19:55   ` Bernd Schubert
2023-04-01 13:22     ` Ming Lei
2023-04-03  9:25     ` Bernd Schubert
2023-04-03  1:11 ` [PATCH V6 00/17] io_uring/ublk: add generic IORING_OP_FUSED_CMD Ming Lei
2023-04-03  1:24   ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-04  7:48     ` Ming Lei
2023-04-03  1:23 ` (subset) " Jens Axboe
2023-04-18 19:38 ` Bernd Schubert
2023-04-19  1:51   ` Ming Lei
2023-04-19  9:56     ` Bernd Schubert
2023-04-19 11:19       ` Ming Lei
2023-04-19 15:42         ` Bernd Schubert
2023-04-20  1:18           ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-04-20  1:38           ` Ming Lei
2023-04-21 22:38             ` Bernd Schubert [this message]

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