From: Stefan Metzmacher <metze@samba.org>
To: Stanislav Fomichev <stfomichev@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] net/io_uring: pass a kernel pointer via optlen_t to proto[_ops].getsockopt()
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 23:20:45 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0f0f9cfd-77be-4988-8043-0d1bd0d157e7@samba.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z-wKI1rQGSgrsjbl@mini-arch>
Am 01.04.25 um 17:45 schrieb Stanislav Fomichev:
> On 04/01, Breno Leitao wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 03:48:58PM +0200, Stefan Metzmacher wrote:
>>> Am 01.04.25 um 15:37 schrieb Stefan Metzmacher:
>>>> Am 01.04.25 um 10:19 schrieb Stefan Metzmacher:
>>>>> Am 31.03.25 um 23:04 schrieb Stanislav Fomichev:
>>>>>> On 03/31, Stefan Metzmacher wrote:
>>>>>>> The motivation for this is to remove the SOL_SOCKET limitation
>>>>>>> from io_uring_cmd_getsockopt().
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reason for this limitation is that io_uring_cmd_getsockopt()
>>>>>>> passes a kernel pointer as optlen to do_sock_getsockopt()
>>>>>>> and can't reach the ops->getsockopt() path.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first idea would be to change the optval and optlen arguments
>>>>>>> to the protocol specific hooks also to sockptr_t, as that
>>>>>>> is already used for setsockopt() and also by do_sock_getsockopt()
>>>>>>> sk_getsockopt() and BPF_CGROUP_RUN_PROG_GETSOCKOPT().
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But as Linus don't like 'sockptr_t' I used a different approach.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Linus, would that optlen_t approach fit better for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [..]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Instead of passing the optlen as user or kernel pointer,
>>>>>>> we only ever pass a kernel pointer and do the
>>>>>>> translation from/to userspace in do_sock_getsockopt().
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At this point why not just fully embrace iov_iter? You have the size
>>>>>> now + the user (or kernel) pointer. Might as well do
>>>>>> s/sockptr_t/iov_iter/ conversion?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that would only be possible if we introduce
>>>>> proto[_ops].getsockopt_iter() and then convert the implementations
>>>>> step by step. Doing it all in one go has a lot of potential to break
>>>>> the uapi. I could try to convert things like socket, ip and tcp myself, but
>>>>> the rest needs to be converted by the maintainer of the specific protocol,
>>>>> as it needs to be tested. As there are crazy things happening in the existing
>>>>> implementations, e.g. some getsockopt() implementations use optval as in and out
>>>>> buffer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I first tried to convert both optval and optlen of getsockopt to sockptr_t,
>>>>> and that showed that touching the optval part starts to get complex very soon,
>>>>> see https://git.samba.org/?p=metze/linux/wip.git;a=commitdiff;h=141912166473bf8843ec6ace76dc9c6945adafd1
>>>>> (note it didn't converted everything, I gave up after hitting
>>>>> sctp_getsockopt_peer_addrs and sctp_getsockopt_local_addrs.
>>>>> sctp_getsockopt_context, sctp_getsockopt_maxseg, sctp_getsockopt_associnfo and maybe
>>>>> more are the ones also doing both copy_from_user and copy_to_user on optval)
>>>>>
>>>>> I come also across one implementation that returned -ERANGE because *optlen was
>>>>> too short and put the required length into *optlen, which means the returned
>>>>> *optlen is larger than the optval buffer given from userspace.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of all these strange things I tried to do a minimal change
>>>>> in order to get rid of the io_uring limitation and only converted
>>>>> optlen and leave optval as is.
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to have a patchset that has a low risk to cause regressions.
>>>>>
>>>>> But as alternative introducing a prototype like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> int (*getsockopt_iter)(struct socket *sock, int level, int optname,
>>>>> struct iov_iter *optval_iter);
>>>>>
>>>>> That returns a non-negative value which can be placed into *optlen
>>>>> or negative value as error and *optlen will not be changed on error.
>>>>> optval_iter will get direction ITER_DEST, so it can only be written to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Implementations could then opt in for the new interface and
>>>>> allow do_sock_getsockopt() work also for the io_uring case,
>>>>> while all others would still get -EOPNOTSUPP.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what should be the way to go?
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I've added the infrastructure for getsockopt_iter, see below,
>>>> but the first part I wanted to convert was
>>>> tcp_ao_copy_mkts_to_user() and that also reads from userspace before
>>>> writing.
>>>>
>>>> So we could go with the optlen_t approach, or we need
>>>> logic for ITER_BOTH or pass two iov_iters one with ITER_SRC and one
>>>> with ITER_DEST...
>>>>
>>>> So who wants to decide?
>>>
>>> I just noticed that it's even possible in same cases
>>> to pass in a short buffer to optval, but have a longer value in optlen,
>>> hci_sock_getsockopt() with SOL_BLUETOOTH completely ignores optlen.
>>>
>>> This makes it really hard to believe that trying to use iov_iter for this
>>> is a good idea :-(
>>
>> That was my finding as well a while ago, when I was planning to get the
>> __user pointers converted to iov_iter. There are some weird ways of
>> using optlen and optval, which makes them non-trivial to covert to
>> iov_iter.
>
> Can we ignore all non-ip/tcp/udp cases for now? This should cover +90%
> of useful socket opts. See if there are any obvious problems with them
> and if not, try converting. The rest we can cover separately when/if
> needed.
That's what I tried, but it fails with
tcp_getsockopt ->
do_tcp_getsockopt ->
tcp_ao_get_mkts ->
tcp_ao_copy_mkts_to_user ->
copy_struct_from_sockptr
tcp_ao_get_sock_info ->
copy_struct_from_sockptr
That's not possible with a ITER_DEST iov_iter.
metze
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-01 21:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-31 20:10 [RFC PATCH 0/4] net/io_uring: pass a kernel pointer via optlen_t to proto[_ops].getsockopt() Stefan Metzmacher
2025-03-31 20:10 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] net: introduce get_optlen() and put_optlen() helpers Stefan Metzmacher
2025-04-01 12:17 ` Breno Leitao
2025-04-01 12:22 ` Stefan Metzmacher
2025-03-31 20:10 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] net: pass 'optlen_t' to proto[ops].getsockopt() hooks Stefan Metzmacher
2025-03-31 20:27 ` Stefan Metzmacher
2025-03-31 20:10 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] net: pass a kernel pointer via " Stefan Metzmacher
2025-03-31 21:49 ` David Laight
2025-04-01 8:24 ` Stefan Metzmacher
2025-03-31 20:10 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] io_uring: let io_uring_cmd_getsockopt() allow level other than SOL_SOCKET Stefan Metzmacher
2025-03-31 21:04 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] net/io_uring: pass a kernel pointer via optlen_t to proto[_ops].getsockopt() Stanislav Fomichev
2025-04-01 8:19 ` Stefan Metzmacher
2025-04-01 13:37 ` Stefan Metzmacher
2025-04-01 13:48 ` Stefan Metzmacher
2025-04-01 15:35 ` Breno Leitao
2025-04-01 15:45 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-04-01 21:20 ` Stefan Metzmacher [this message]
2025-04-01 22:04 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-04-01 22:53 ` Stefan Metzmacher
2025-04-02 12:29 ` David Laight
2025-04-02 14:19 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-04-02 20:46 ` David Laight
2025-04-02 21:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-02 21:21 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-04-02 22:38 ` David Laight
2025-04-02 23:39 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-04-02 0:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-02 12:35 ` David Laight
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