public inbox for [email protected]
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Sagi Grimberg <[email protected]>
To: Christoph Hellwig <[email protected]>
Cc: Kanchan Joshi <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH for-next 4/4] nvme-multipath: add multipathing for uring-passthrough commands
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 15:16:36 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>


>> I view uring passthru somewhat as a different thing than sending SG_IO
>> ioctls to dm-mpath. But it can be argued otherwise.
>>
>> BTW, the only consumer of it that I'm aware of commented that he
>> expects dm-mpath to retry SG_IO when dm-mpath retry for SG_IO submission
>> was attempted (https://www.spinics.net/lists/dm-devel/msg46924.html).
> 
> Yeah.  But the point is that if we have a path failure, the kernel
> will pick a new path next time anyway, both in dm-mpath and nvme-mpath.

If such a path is available at all.

>> I still think that there is a problem with the existing semantics for
>> passthru requests over mpath device nodes.
>>
>> Again, I think it will actually be cleaner not to expose passthru
>> devices for mpath at all if we are not going to support retry/failover.
> 
> I think they are very useful here.  Users of passthrough interface
> need to be able to retry anyway, even on non-multipath setups.  And
> a dumb retry will do the right thing.

I think you are painting a simple picture while this is not the case
necessarily. It is not a dumb retry, because the user needs to determine
if an available path for this particular namespace exists or wait for
one if it doesn't want to do a submit/fail constant loop.

A passthru interface does not mean that the user by definition needs to
understand multipathing, ana/ctrl/ns states/mappings, etc. The user may
just want to be able issue vendor-specific commands to the device.

If the user needs to understand multipathing by definition, he/she has
zero use of a mpath passthru device if it doesn't retry IMO.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-13 12:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20220711110753epcas5p4169b9e288d15ca35740dbb66a6f6983a@epcas5p4.samsung.com>
2022-07-11 11:01 ` [PATCH for-next 0/4] nvme-multipathing for uring-passthrough Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220711110800epcas5p3d338dd486fd778c5ba5bfe93a91ec8bd@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-07-11 11:01     ` [PATCH for-next 1/4] io_uring, nvme: rename a function Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-14 13:55       ` Ming Lei
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220711110812epcas5p33aa90b23aa62fb11722aa8195754becf@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-07-11 11:01     ` [PATCH for-next 2/4] nvme: compact nvme_uring_cmd_pdu struct Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-12  6:32       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220711110824epcas5p22c8e945cb8c3c3ac46c8c2b5ab55db9b@epcas5p2.samsung.com>
2022-07-11 11:01     ` [PATCH for-next 3/4] io_uring: grow a field in struct io_uring_cmd Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-11 17:00       ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-11 17:19         ` Jens Axboe
2022-07-11 17:18       ` Jens Axboe
2022-07-11 17:55         ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-11 18:22           ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-11 18:24             ` Jens Axboe
2022-07-11 18:58               ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-12 11:40               ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-14  3:40             ` Ming Lei
2022-07-14  8:19               ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-14 15:30                 ` Daniel Wagner
2022-07-15 11:07                   ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-18  9:03                     ` Daniel Wagner
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220711110827epcas5p3fd81f142f55ca3048abc38a9ef0d0089@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-07-11 11:01     ` [PATCH for-next 4/4] nvme-multipath: add multipathing for uring-passthrough commands Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-11 13:51       ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-11 15:12         ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-07-11 16:58           ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-11 18:54           ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-11 18:37         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-11 19:56           ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-12  4:23             ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-12 21:26               ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13  5:37                 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-13  9:03                   ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13 11:28                     ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-13 12:17                       ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-14 15:14                   ` Ming Lei
2022-07-14 23:05                     ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-15  1:35                       ` Ming Lei
2022-07-15  1:46                         ` Ming Lei
2022-07-15  4:24                           ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-12  6:52       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-12 11:33         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-12 20:13         ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13  5:36           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-13  8:04             ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13 10:12               ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-13 11:00                 ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13 11:28                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-13 12:16                     ` Sagi Grimberg [this message]
2022-07-13 11:49                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-07-13 12:43                     ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13 13:30                       ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-07-13 13:41                         ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13 14:07                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-07-13 15:59                             ` Sagi Grimberg

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    [email protected] \
    [email protected] \
    [email protected] \
    [email protected] \
    [email protected] \
    [email protected] \
    [email protected] \
    [email protected] \
    [email protected] \
    [email protected] \
    [email protected] \
    [email protected] \
    [email protected] \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox