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From: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
To: Paul Moore <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected],
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <[email protected]>,
	Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
	Alexander Viro <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: add some basic audit support to io_uring
Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 21:26:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhRjzWxweB8d8fypUx11CX6tRBnxSWbXH+5qM1virE509A@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/22/21 3:36 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 8:22 PM Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 5/21/21 10:49 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
[...]
>>>
>>> +     if (req->opcode < IORING_OP_LAST)
>>
>> always true at this point
> 
> I placed the opcode check before the audit call because the switch
> statement below which handles the operation dispatching has a 'ret =
> -EINVAL' for the default case, implying that there are some paths
> where an invalid opcode could be passed into the function.  Obviously
> if that is not the case and you can guarantee that req->opcode will
> always be valid we can easily drop the check prior to the audit call.

It is always true at this point, would be completely broken
otherwise

>>> +             audit_uring_entry(req->opcode);
>>
>> So, it adds two if's with memory loads (i.e. current->audit_context)
>> per request in one of the hottest functions here... No way, nack
>>
>> Maybe, if it's dynamically compiled into like kprobes if it's
>> _really_ used.
> 
> I'm open to suggestions on how to tweak the io_uring/audit
> integration, if you don't like what I've proposed in this patchset,
> lets try to come up with a solution that is more palatable.  If you
> were going to add audit support for these io_uring operations, how
> would you propose we do it?  Not being able to properly audit io_uring
> operations is going to be a significant issue for a chunk of users, if
> it isn't already, we need to work to find a solution to this problem.

Who knows. First of all, seems CONFIG_AUDIT is enabled by default
for many popular distributions, so I assume that is not compiled out.

What are use cases for audit? Always running I guess? Putting aside
compatibility problems, it sounds that with the amount of overhead
it adds there is no much profit in using io_uring in the first place.
Is that so?

__audit_uring_exit()
-> audit_filter_syscall()
  -> for (audit_list) if (...) audit_filter_rules()
    -> ...
-> audit_filter_inodes()
  -> ...

> Unfortunately I don't think dynamically inserting audit calls is
> something that would meet the needs of the audit community (I fear it
> would run afoul of the various security certifications), and it
> definitely isn't something that we support at present.

I see

-- 
Pavel Begunkov

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-23 20:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-21 21:49 [RFC PATCH 0/9] Add LSM access controls and auditing to io_uring Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] audit: prepare audit_context for use in calling contexts beyond syscalls Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: add some basic audit support to io_uring Paul Moore
2021-05-22  0:22   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-22  2:36     ` Paul Moore
2021-05-23 20:26       ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2021-05-24 19:59         ` Paul Moore
2021-05-25  8:27           ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-25 14:53             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26  1:11           ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26  2:04             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 10:19               ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-26 14:38                 ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 15:11                   ` Steve Grubb
2021-05-26 15:17                   ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-05-26 15:49                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-26 17:22                       ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-27 17:27                         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-26 15:49                     ` Victor Stewart
2021-05-26 16:38                       ` Casey Schaufler
2021-05-26 17:15               ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 17:31                 ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 17:54                   ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 18:01                     ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 18:44                       ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 18:57                         ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-26 19:10                           ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 19:44                         ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 20:19                           ` Paul Moore
2021-05-28 16:02                             ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02  8:26                               ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-02 15:46                                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-03 10:39                                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-02 19:46                                 ` Paul Moore
2021-06-03 10:51                                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-03 15:54                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2021-06-03 15:54                               ` Jens Axboe
2021-06-04  5:04                                 ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 18:38                     ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02 17:29   ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit, io_uring, io-wq: " Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-02 20:46     ` Paul Moore
2021-08-25  1:21       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-08-25 19:41         ` Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] audit: dev/test patch to force io_uring auditing Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] audit: add filtering for io_uring records Paul Moore
2021-05-28 22:35   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-30 15:26     ` Paul Moore
2021-05-31 13:44       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-02  1:40         ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02 15:37           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-02 17:20             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-31 13:44       ` [PATCH 1/2] audit: add filtering for io_uring records, addendum Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-31 16:08         ` kernel test robot
2021-05-31 17:38         ` kernel test robot
2021-06-07 23:15         ` Paul Moore
2021-06-08 12:55           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-09  2:45             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-31 13:44       ` [PATCH 2/2] audit: block PERM fields being used with io_uring filtering Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] fs: add anon_inode_getfile_secure() similar to anon_inode_getfd_secure() Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] io_uring: convert io_uring to the secure anon inode interface Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] lsm,io_uring: add LSM hooks to io_uring Paul Moore
2021-05-26 14:48   ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-05-26 20:45     ` Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] selinux: add support for the io_uring access controls Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] Smack: Brutalist io_uring support with debug Paul Moore
2021-05-22  0:53 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] Add LSM access controls and auditing to io_uring Tetsuo Handa
2021-05-22  2:06   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 15:00 ` Jeff Moyer
2021-05-26 18:49   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 19:07     ` Jeff Moyer
2021-05-26 19:10       ` Paul Moore

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