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From: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
To: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>,
	Max Kellermann <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/8] io_uring/io-wq: cache work->flags in variable
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2025 07:54:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On 1/29/25 4:41 PM, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
> On 1/29/25 19:11, Max Kellermann wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 7:56?PM Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> What architecture are you running? I don't get why the reads
>>> are expensive while it's relaxed and there shouldn't even be
>>> any contention. It doesn't even need to be atomics, we still
>>> should be able to convert int back to plain ints.
>>
>> I measured on an AMD Epyc 9654P.
>> As you see in my numbers, around 40% of the CPU time was wasted on
>> spinlock contention. Dozens of io-wq threads are trampling on each
>> other's feet all the time.
>> I don't think this is about memory accesses being exceptionally
>> expensive; it's just about wringing every cycle from the code section
>> that's under the heavy-contention spinlock.
> 
> Ok, then it's an architectural problem and needs more serious
> reengineering, e.g. of how work items are stored and grabbed, and it
> might even get some more use cases for io_uring. FWIW, I'm not saying
> smaller optimisations shouldn't have place especially when they're
> clean.

Totally agree - io-wq would need some improvements on the where to queue
and pull work to make it scale better, which may indeed be a good idea
to do and would open it up to more use cases that currently don't make
much sense.

That said, also agree that the minor optimizations still have a place,
it's not like they will stand in the way of general improvements as
well.

-- 
Jens Axboe

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-30 14:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-28 13:39 [PATCH 0/8] Various io_uring micro-optimizations (reducing lock contention) Max Kellermann
2025-01-28 13:39 ` [PATCH 1/8] io_uring/io-wq: eliminate redundant io_work_get_acct() calls Max Kellermann
2025-01-28 13:39 ` [PATCH 2/8] io_uring/io-wq: add io_worker.acct pointer Max Kellermann
2025-01-28 13:39 ` [PATCH 3/8] io_uring/io-wq: move worker lists to struct io_wq_acct Max Kellermann
2025-01-28 13:39 ` [PATCH 4/8] io_uring/io-wq: cache work->flags in variable Max Kellermann
2025-01-29 18:57   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-01-29 19:11     ` Max Kellermann
2025-01-29 23:41       ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-01-30  5:36         ` Max Kellermann
2025-01-30 14:57           ` Jens Axboe
2025-01-31 14:06             ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-01-30 14:54         ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2025-01-28 13:39 ` [PATCH 5/8] io_uring/io-wq: do not use bogus hash value Max Kellermann
2025-01-28 13:39 ` [PATCH 6/8] io_uring/io-wq: pass io_wq to io_get_next_work() Max Kellermann
2025-01-28 13:39 ` [PATCH 7/8] io_uring: cache io_kiocb->flags in variable Max Kellermann
2025-01-29 19:11   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-01-28 13:39 ` [PATCH 8/8] io_uring: skip redundant poll wakeups Max Kellermann
2025-01-31 13:54   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-01-31 17:16     ` Max Kellermann
2025-01-31 17:25       ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-01-29 17:18 ` [PATCH 0/8] Various io_uring micro-optimizations (reducing lock contention) Jens Axboe
2025-01-29 17:39   ` Max Kellermann
2025-01-29 17:45     ` Jens Axboe
2025-01-29 18:01       ` Max Kellermann
2025-01-31 16:13         ` Jens Axboe
2025-02-01 15:25           ` Jens Axboe
2025-02-01 15:30             ` Max Kellermann
2025-02-01 15:38               ` Jens Axboe
2025-01-29 19:30     ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-01-29 19:43       ` Max Kellermann

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