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From: Richard Guy Briggs <[email protected]>
To: Paul Moore <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected],
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <[email protected]>,
	Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
	Alexander Viro <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/9] audit: add filtering for io_uring records
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:37:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhSFNNE7AGGA20fDk201VLvzr5HB60VEqqq5qt9yGTH4mg@mail.gmail.com>

On 2021-06-01 21:40, Paul Moore wrote:
> On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 9:44 AM Richard Guy Briggs <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 2021-05-30 11:26, Paul Moore wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 6:36 PM Richard Guy Briggs <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On 2021-05-21 17:50, Paul Moore wrote:
> > > > If we abuse the syscall infrastructure at first, we'd need a transition
> > > > plan to coordinate user and kernel switchover to seperate mechanisms for
> > > > the two to work together if the need should arise to have both syscall
> > > > and uring filters in the same rule.
> > >
> > > See my comments above, I don't currently see why we would ever want
> > > syscall and io_uring filtering to happen in the same rule.  Please
> > > speak up if you can think of a reason why this would either be needed,
> > > or desirable for some reason.
> >
> > I think they can be seperate rules for now.  Either a syscall rule
> > catching all io_uring ops can be added, or an io_uring rule can be added
> > to catch specific ops.  The scenario I was thinking of was catching
> > syscalls of specific io_uring ops.
> 
> Perhaps I'm misunderstand you, but that scenario really shouldn't
> exist.  The io_uring ops function independently of syscalls; you can
> *submit* io_uring ops via io_uring_enter(), but they are not
> guaranteed to be dispatched synchronously (obviously), and given the
> cred shenanigans that can happen with io_uring there is no guarantee
> the filters would even be applicable.

That wasn't my understanding.  There are a number of io_uring calls
starting with at least open that are currently synchronous (but may
become async in future) that we may want to single out which would be a
specific io_uring syscall with a specific io_uring opcode.  I guess
that particular situation would be caught by the io_uring opcode
triggering an event that includes SYSCALL and URINGOP records.

> It isn't an issue of "can" the filters be separate, they *have* to be separate.

> paul moore

- RGB

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Richard Guy Briggs <[email protected]>
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-02 15:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-21 21:49 [RFC PATCH 0/9] Add LSM access controls and auditing to io_uring Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] audit: prepare audit_context for use in calling contexts beyond syscalls Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: add some basic audit support to io_uring Paul Moore
2021-05-22  0:22   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-22  2:36     ` Paul Moore
2021-05-23 20:26       ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-24 19:59         ` Paul Moore
2021-05-25  8:27           ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-25 14:53             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26  1:11           ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26  2:04             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 10:19               ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-26 14:38                 ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 15:11                   ` Steve Grubb
2021-05-26 15:17                   ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-05-26 15:49                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-26 17:22                       ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-27 17:27                         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-26 15:49                     ` Victor Stewart
2021-05-26 16:38                       ` Casey Schaufler
2021-05-26 17:15               ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 17:31                 ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 17:54                   ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 18:01                     ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 18:44                       ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 18:57                         ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-26 19:10                           ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 19:44                         ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 20:19                           ` Paul Moore
2021-05-28 16:02                             ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02  8:26                               ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-02 15:46                                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-03 10:39                                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-02 19:46                                 ` Paul Moore
2021-06-03 10:51                                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-03 15:54                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2021-06-03 15:54                               ` Jens Axboe
2021-06-04  5:04                                 ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 18:38                     ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02 17:29   ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit, io_uring, io-wq: " Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-02 20:46     ` Paul Moore
2021-08-25  1:21       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-08-25 19:41         ` Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] audit: dev/test patch to force io_uring auditing Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] audit: add filtering for io_uring records Paul Moore
2021-05-28 22:35   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-30 15:26     ` Paul Moore
2021-05-31 13:44       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-02  1:40         ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02 15:37           ` Richard Guy Briggs [this message]
2021-06-02 17:20             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-31 13:44       ` [PATCH 1/2] audit: add filtering for io_uring records, addendum Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-31 16:08         ` kernel test robot
2021-05-31 17:38         ` kernel test robot
2021-06-07 23:15         ` Paul Moore
2021-06-08 12:55           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-09  2:45             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-31 13:44       ` [PATCH 2/2] audit: block PERM fields being used with io_uring filtering Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] fs: add anon_inode_getfile_secure() similar to anon_inode_getfd_secure() Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] io_uring: convert io_uring to the secure anon inode interface Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] lsm,io_uring: add LSM hooks to io_uring Paul Moore
2021-05-26 14:48   ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-05-26 20:45     ` Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] selinux: add support for the io_uring access controls Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] Smack: Brutalist io_uring support with debug Paul Moore
2021-05-22  0:53 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] Add LSM access controls and auditing to io_uring Tetsuo Handa
2021-05-22  2:06   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 15:00 ` Jeff Moyer
2021-05-26 18:49   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 19:07     ` Jeff Moyer
2021-05-26 19:10       ` Paul Moore

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