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From: Oleg Nesterov <[email protected]>
To: Tejun Heo <[email protected]>
Cc: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
	Andrew Morton <[email protected]>,
	Christian Brauner <[email protected]>,
	Tycho Andersen <[email protected]>,
	Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], Julian Orth <[email protected]>,
	Peter Zijlstra <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] kernel: rerun task_work while freezing in get_signal()
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 23:34:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On 07/10, Tejun Heo wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 09:10:16PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> ...
> > If nothing else. CRIU needs to attach and make this task TASK_TRACED, right?
>
> Yeah, AFAIK, that's the only way to implement check-pointing for now.

OK,

> > And once the target task is traced, it won't react to task_work_add(TWA_SIGNAL).
>
> I don't know how task_work is being used but the requirement would be that
> if a cgroup is frozen, task_works shouldn't be making state changes which
> can't safely be replayed (e.g. by restarting the frozen syscalls).

Well, in theory task_work can do "anything".

Of course, it can't, say, restart a frozen syscall, task_work_run() just
executes the callbacks in kernel mode and returns.

> it'd be better to freeze them together.

And I tend to agree. simply beacase do_freezer_trap() (and more users of
clear_thread_flag(TIF_SIGPENDING) + schedule(TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE) pattern)
do not take TIF_NOTIFY_SIGNAL into account.

But how do you think this patch can make the things worse wrt CRIU ?

And let's even forget this patch which fixes the real problem.
How do you think the fact that the task sleeping in do_freezer_trap()
can react to TIF_NOTIFY_SIGNAL, call task_work_run(), and then sleep
in do_freezer_trap() again can make any difference in this sense?

> As this thing is kinda difficult to reason about,

Agreed,

> it'd probably be easier to just freeze them together if we can.

Agreed, but this needs some "generic" changes while Pavel needs a
simple and backportable workaround to suppress a real problem.

In short, I don't like this patch either, I just don't see a better
solution for now ;)

Thanks,

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-10 21:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-07 16:32 [PATCH 0/2] fix task_work interation with freezing Pavel Begunkov
2024-07-07 16:32 ` [PATCH 1/2] io_uring/io-wq: limit retrying worker initialisation Pavel Begunkov
2024-07-07 16:32 ` [PATCH 2/2] kernel: rerun task_work while freezing in get_signal() Pavel Begunkov
2024-07-08 10:42   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-07-08 15:40     ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-07-08 18:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-09 10:36       ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-07-09 14:05         ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-07-09 16:39           ` Tejun Heo
2024-07-09 19:07             ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-07-09 19:26               ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-07-09 19:38                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-07-09 19:55                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-07-10  0:54                     ` Tejun Heo
2024-07-10 17:53                       ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-07-10 19:10                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-07-10 19:20                           ` Tejun Heo
2024-07-10 21:34                             ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2024-07-10 22:01                               ` Tejun Heo
2024-07-10 22:17                                 ` Oleg Nesterov

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