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Although I'm >> personally not interested in FDP, my colleagues were involved in the >> standardization of FDP. > >Yes, it is. And when I explained how to properly export this kind of >information can be implemented on top of the version Kanchan sent everyone >suddenly stopped diskussion technical points and went either silent or >all political. > >So I think some peoples bonuses depend on not understanding the problem >I fear :( > Please, don't. Childish comments like this delegitimize the work that a lot of people are doing in Linux. We all operate under the assumption that folks here know how to wear two hants, and that there is no such thing as so specific incentives neither to push _nor_ block upstream contributions without a use-case and technical background.