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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <[email protected]>
To: Matthew Wilcox <[email protected]>
Cc: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>,
	Christoph Hellwig <[email protected]>, Anuj Gupta <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	Kanchan Joshi <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 06/11] io_uring: introduce attributes for read/write and PI support
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:35:17 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241120173517.GQ9425@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 06:04:01PM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 01:09:44PM +0000, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
> > With SQE128 it's also a problem that now all SQEs are 128 bytes regardless
> > of whether a particular request needs it or not, and the user will need
> > to zero them for each request.
> 
> The way we handled this in NVMe was to use a bit in the command that
> was called (iirc) FUSED, which let you use two consecutive entries for
> a single command.
> 
> Some variant on that could surely be used for io_uring.  Perhaps a
> special opcode that says "the real opcode is here, and this is a two-slot
> command".  Processing gets a little spicy when one slot is the last in
> the buffer and the next is the the first in the buffer, but that's a SMOP.

I like willy's suggestion -- what's the difficulty in having a SQE flag
that says "...and keep going into the next SQE"?  I guess that
introduces the problem that you can no longer react to the observation
of 4 new SQEs by creating 4 new contexts to process those SQEs and throw
all 4 of them at background threads, since you don't know how many IOs
are there.

That said, depending on the size of the PI metadata, it might be more
convenient for the app programmer to supply one pointer to a single
array of PI information for the entire IO request, packed in whatever
format the underlying device wants.

Thinking with my xfs(progs) hat on, if we ever wanted to run xfs_buf(fer
cache) IOs through io_uring with PI metadata, we'd probably want a
vectored io submission interface (xfs_buffers can map to discontiguous
LBA ranges on disk), but we'd probably have a single memory object to
hold all the PI information.

But really, AFAICT it's 6 of one or half a dozen of the other, so I
don't care all that much so long as you all pick something and merge it.
:)

--D

  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-20 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20241114105326epcas5p103b2c996293fa680092b97c747fdbd59@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2024-11-14 10:45 ` [PATCH v9 00/11] Read/Write with meta/integrity Anuj Gupta
     [not found]   ` <CGME20241114105352epcas5p109c1742fa8a6552296b9c104f2271308@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2024-11-14 10:45     ` [PATCH v9 01/11] block: define set of integrity flags to be inherited by cloned bip Anuj Gupta
     [not found]   ` <CGME20241114105354epcas5p49a73947c3d37be4189023f66fb7ba413@epcas5p4.samsung.com>
2024-11-14 10:45     ` [PATCH v9 02/11] block: copy back bounce buffer to user-space correctly in case of split Anuj Gupta
     [not found]   ` <CGME20241114105357epcas5p41fd14282d4abfe564e858b37babe708a@epcas5p4.samsung.com>
2024-11-14 10:45     ` [PATCH v9 03/11] block: modify bio_integrity_map_user to accept iov_iter as argument Anuj Gupta
     [not found]   ` <CGME20241114105400epcas5p270b8062a0c4f26833a5b497f057d65a7@epcas5p2.samsung.com>
2024-11-14 10:45     ` [PATCH v9 04/11] fs, iov_iter: define meta io descriptor Anuj Gupta
     [not found]   ` <CGME20241114105402epcas5p41b1f6054a557f1bda2cfddfdfb9a9477@epcas5p4.samsung.com>
2024-11-14 10:45     ` [PATCH v9 05/11] fs: introduce IOCB_HAS_METADATA for metadata Anuj Gupta
     [not found]   ` <CGME20241114105405epcas5p24ca2fb9017276ff8a50ef447638fd739@epcas5p2.samsung.com>
2024-11-14 10:45     ` [PATCH v9 06/11] io_uring: introduce attributes for read/write and PI support Anuj Gupta
2024-11-14 12:16       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-14 13:09         ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-11-14 15:19           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-15 16:40             ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-11-15 17:12               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-15 17:44                 ` Jens Axboe
2024-11-15 18:00                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-15 19:03                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-11-18 12:49                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-15 18:04           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-11-20 17:35             ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2024-11-21  6:54               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-21 13:45               ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-11-15 13:29         ` Anuj gupta
2024-11-16  0:00       ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-11-16  0:32         ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-11-18 12:50           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-18 16:59             ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-11-18 17:03               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-18 17:45                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-11-19 12:49                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-21 13:29                     ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-11-21  8:59               ` Anuj Gupta
2024-11-21 15:45                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-11-16 23:09       ` kernel test robot
     [not found]   ` <CGME20241114105408epcas5p3c77cda2faf7ccb37abbfd8e95b4ad1f5@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2024-11-14 10:45     ` [PATCH v9 07/11] io_uring: inline read/write attributes and PI Anuj Gupta
     [not found]   ` <CGME20241114105410epcas5p1c6a4e6141b073ccfd6277288f7d5e28b@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2024-11-14 10:45     ` [PATCH v9 08/11] block: introduce BIP_CHECK_GUARD/REFTAG/APPTAG bip_flags Anuj Gupta
     [not found]   ` <CGME20241114105413epcas5p2d7da8675df2de0d1efba3057144e691d@epcas5p2.samsung.com>
2024-11-14 10:45     ` [PATCH v9 09/11] nvme: add support for passing on the application tag Anuj Gupta
     [not found]   ` <CGME20241114105416epcas5p3a7aa552775cfe50f60ef89f7d982ea12@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2024-11-14 10:45     ` [PATCH v9 10/11] scsi: add support for user-meta interface Anuj Gupta
     [not found]   ` <CGME20241114105418epcas5p1537d72b9016d10670cf97751704e2cc8@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2024-11-14 10:45     ` [PATCH v9 11/11] block: add support to pass user meta buffer Anuj Gupta

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