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From: Christoph Hellwig <[email protected]>
To: Damien Le Moal <[email protected]>
Cc: "Martin K. Petersen" <[email protected]>,
	Bart Van Assche <[email protected]>,
	Nitesh Shetty <[email protected]>,
	Javier Gonzalez <[email protected]>,
	Matthew Wilcox <[email protected]>,
	Keith Busch <[email protected]>, Christoph Hellwig <[email protected]>,
	Keith Busch <[email protected]>,
	"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
	"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
	"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
	"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
	"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
	"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv10 0/9] write hints with nvme fdp, scsi streams
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2024 07:19:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 05:51:52PM +0900, Damien Le Moal wrote:
> > Maybe. But you'll have a hard time convincing me to add any kind of
> > state machine or bio matching magic to the SCSI stack when the simplest
> > solution is to treat copying like a read followed by a write. There is
> > no concurrency, no kernel state, no dependency between two commands, nor
> > two scsi_disk/scsi_device object lifetimes to manage.
> 
> And that also would allow supporting a fake copy offload with regular
> read/write BIOs very easily, I think. So all block devices can be
> presented as supporting "copy offload". That is nice for FSes.

Just as when that showed up in one of the last copy offload series
I'm still very critical of a stateless copy offload emulation.  The
reason for that is that a host based copy helper needs scratch space
to read into, and doing these large allocation on every copy puts a
lot of pressure onto the allocator.  Allocating the buffer once at
mount time and the just cycling through it is generally a lot more
efficient.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-29  6:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-29 15:19 [PATCHv10 0/9] write hints with nvme fdp, scsi streams Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 1/9] block: use generic u16 for write hints Keith Busch
2024-10-29 17:21   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 2/9] block: introduce max_write_hints queue limit Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 3/9] statx: add write hint information Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 4/9] block: allow ability to limit partition write hints Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 17:25   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-30  4:46     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 20:11       ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 20:26         ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-30 20:37           ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 21:15             ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 5/9] block, fs: add write hint to kiocb Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 6/9] io_uring: enable per-io hinting capability Keith Busch
2024-11-07  2:09   ` Jens Axboe
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 7/9] block: export placement hint feature Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 8/9] nvme: enable FDP support Keith Busch
2024-10-30  0:24   ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 9/9] scsi: set permanent stream count in block limits Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 15:34     ` Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:37       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 15:38         ` Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:53           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 16:22             ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30  4:55               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 15:41                 ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 15:45                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 15:48                     ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 15:50                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 16:42                         ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 16:57                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 17:05                             ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 17:15                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 17:23                             ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 22:32                             ` Keith Busch
2024-10-31  8:19                               ` Hans Holmberg
2024-10-31 13:02                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-31 14:06                                 ` Keith Busch
2024-11-01  7:16                                   ` Hans Holmberg
2024-11-01  8:19                                     ` Javier González
2024-11-01 14:49                                     ` Keith Busch
2024-11-06 14:26                                       ` Hans Holmberg
2024-10-30 16:59                 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-30 17:14                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 17:44                     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-01  1:03                       ` Jaegeuk Kim
2024-10-29 17:18     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-30  5:42       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 15:24 ` [PATCHv10 0/9] write hints with nvme fdp, scsi streams Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-05 15:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-06 18:36   ` Keith Busch
2024-11-07 20:36   ` Keith Busch
2024-11-08 14:18     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-08 15:51       ` Keith Busch
2024-11-08 16:54         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-11-08 17:43           ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-08 18:51             ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-11  9:31               ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-11 17:45                 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-12 13:52                   ` Nitesh Shetty
2024-11-19  2:03                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-11-25 23:21                       ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-27  2:54                         ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-11-27 18:42                           ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-27 20:14                             ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-11-27 21:06                               ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-28  2:09                                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-11-28  8:51                                   ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-29  6:19                                     ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2024-11-29  6:23                                       ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-28  3:24                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-28 15:21                               ` Keith Busch
2024-11-28 16:40                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-11  6:51             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-11  9:30               ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-11  9:37                 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-11-11  9:41                   ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-11  9:42                     ` hch
2024-11-11  9:43                     ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-11-11 10:37                       ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-11  6:49           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-11  6:48         ` Christoph Hellwig

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