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From: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
To: Andy Lutomirski <[email protected]>,
	Stefano Garzarella <[email protected]>,
	Christoph Hellwig <[email protected]>
Cc: Kees Cook <[email protected]>,
	Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>,
	Miklos Szeredi <[email protected]>,
	Matthew Wilcox <[email protected]>,
	Jann Horn <[email protected]>,
	Christian Brauner <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected],
	Linux API <[email protected]>,
	Linux FS Devel <[email protected]>,
	LKML <[email protected]>,
	Michael Kerrisk <[email protected]>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: strace of io_uring events?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 09:31:54 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXSPdiVCgh3h=q7w9RyiKnp-=8jOHoFHX=an0cWqK7bzQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/21/20 9:27 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 1:02 AM Stefano Garzarella <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 08:12:35AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 03:14:04PM +0200, Stefano Garzarella wrote:
> 
>>> access (IIUC) is possible without actually calling any of the io_uring
>>> syscalls. Is that correct? A process would receive an fd (via SCM_RIGHTS,
>>> pidfd_getfd, or soon seccomp addfd), and then call mmap() on it to gain
>>> access to the SQ and CQ, and off it goes? (The only glitch I see is
>>> waking up the worker thread?)
>>
>> It is true only if the io_uring istance is created with SQPOLL flag (not the
>> default behaviour and it requires CAP_SYS_ADMIN). In this case the
>> kthread is created and you can also set an higher idle time for it, so
>> also the waking up syscall can be avoided.
> 
> I stared at the io_uring code for a while, and I'm wondering if we're
> approaching this the wrong way. It seems to me that most of the
> complications here come from the fact that io_uring SQEs don't clearly
> belong to any particular security principle.  (We have struct creds,
> but we don't really have a task or mm.)  But I'm also not convinced
> that io_uring actually supports cross-mm submission except by accident
> -- as it stands, unless a user is very careful to only submit SQEs
> that don't use user pointers, the results will be unpredictable.

How so? 

> Perhaps we can get away with this:
> 
> diff --git a/fs/io_uring.c b/fs/io_uring.c
> index 74bc4a04befa..92266f869174 100644
> --- a/fs/io_uring.c
> +++ b/fs/io_uring.c
> @@ -7660,6 +7660,20 @@ SYSCALL_DEFINE6(io_uring_enter, unsigned int,
> fd, u32, to_submit,
>      if (!percpu_ref_tryget(&ctx->refs))
>          goto out_fput;
> 
> +    if (unlikely(current->mm != ctx->sqo_mm)) {
> +        /*
> +         * The mm used to process SQEs will be current->mm or
> +         * ctx->sqo_mm depending on which submission path is used.
> +         * It's also unclear who is responsible for an SQE submitted
> +         * out-of-process from a security and auditing perspective.
> +         *
> +         * Until a real usecase emerges and there are clear semantics
> +         * for out-of-process submission, disallow it.
> +         */
> +        ret = -EACCES;
> +        goto out;
> +    }
> +
>      /*
>       * For SQ polling, the thread will do all submissions and completions.
>       * Just return the requested submit count, and wake the thread if

That'll break postgres that already uses this, also see:

commit 73e08e711d9c1d79fae01daed4b0e1fee5f8a275
Author: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
Date:   Sun Jan 26 09:53:12 2020 -0700

    Revert "io_uring: only allow submit from owning task"

So no, we can't do that.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-21 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-15 11:12 strace of io_uring events? Miklos Szeredi
2020-07-15 14:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-15 17:11   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-15 19:42     ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-15 20:09       ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-07-15 20:20         ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-15 23:07           ` Kees Cook
2020-07-16 13:14             ` Stefano Garzarella
2020-07-16 15:12               ` Kees Cook
2020-07-17  8:01                 ` Stefano Garzarella
2020-07-21 15:27                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-21 15:31                     ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2020-07-21 17:23                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-21 17:30                         ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-21 17:44                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-21 18:39                             ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-21 19:44                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-21 19:48                                 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-21 19:56                                 ` Andres Freund
2020-07-21 19:37                         ` Andres Freund
2020-07-21 15:58                     ` Stefano Garzarella
2020-07-23 10:39                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-07-23 13:37                       ` Colin Walters
2020-07-24  7:25                         ` Stefano Garzarella
2020-07-16 13:17             ` Aleksa Sarai
2020-07-16 15:19               ` Kees Cook
2020-07-17  8:17               ` Cyril Hrubis
2020-07-16 16:24             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-16  0:12     ` tytso

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