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Wysocki" , dan.j.williams@intel.com, Caleb Sander Mateos , io-uring , workflows@vger.kernel.org References: <9ef87524-d15c-4b2c-9f86-00417dad9c48@kernel.dk> <20250905-sparkling-stalwart-galago-8a87e0@lemur> <68bf3854f101b_4224d100d7@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> <5922560.DvuYhMxLoT@rafael.j.wysocki> <20250909071818.15507ee6@kernel.org> <92dc8570-84a2-4015-9c7a-6e7da784869a@kernel.dk> <20250909-green-oriole-of-speed-85cd6d@lemur> From: Vlastimil Babka Autocrypt: addr=vbabka@suse.cz; keydata= xsFNBFZdmxYBEADsw/SiUSjB0dM+vSh95UkgcHjzEVBlby/Fg+g42O7LAEkCYXi/vvq31JTB KxRWDHX0R2tgpFDXHnzZcQywawu8eSq0LxzxFNYMvtB7sV1pxYwej2qx9B75qW2plBs+7+YB 87tMFA+u+L4Z5xAzIimfLD5EKC56kJ1CsXlM8S/LHcmdD9Ctkn3trYDNnat0eoAcfPIP2OZ+ 9oe9IF/R28zmh0ifLXyJQQz5ofdj4bPf8ecEW0rhcqHfTD8k4yK0xxt3xW+6Exqp9n9bydiy tcSAw/TahjW6yrA+6JhSBv1v2tIm+itQc073zjSX8OFL51qQVzRFr7H2UQG33lw2QrvHRXqD Ot7ViKam7v0Ho9wEWiQOOZlHItOOXFphWb2yq3nzrKe45oWoSgkxKb97MVsQ+q2SYjJRBBH4 8qKhphADYxkIP6yut/eaj9ImvRUZZRi0DTc8xfnvHGTjKbJzC2xpFcY0DQbZzuwsIZ8OPJCc LM4S7mT25NE5kUTG/TKQCk922vRdGVMoLA7dIQrgXnRXtyT61sg8PG4wcfOnuWf8577aXP1x 6mzw3/jh3F+oSBHb/GcLC7mvWreJifUL2gEdssGfXhGWBo6zLS3qhgtwjay0Jl+kza1lo+Cv BB2T79D4WGdDuVa4eOrQ02TxqGN7G0Biz5ZLRSFzQSQwLn8fbwARAQABzSBWbGFzdGltaWwg QmFia2EgPHZiYWJrYUBzdXNlLmN6PsLBlAQTAQoAPgIbAwULCQgHAwUVCgkICwUWAgMBAAIe AQIXgBYhBKlA1DSZLC6OmRA9UCJPp+fMgqZkBQJnyBr8BQka0IFQAAoJECJPp+fMgqZkqmMQ AIbGN95ptUMUvo6aAdhxaOCHXp1DfIBuIOK/zpx8ylY4pOwu3GRe4dQ8u4XS9gaZ96Gj4bC+ jwWcSmn+TjtKW3rH1dRKopvC07tSJIGGVyw7ieV/5cbFffA8NL0ILowzVg8w1ipnz1VTkWDr 2zcfslxJsJ6vhXw5/npcY0ldeC1E8f6UUoa4eyoskd70vO0wOAoGd02ZkJoox3F5ODM0kjHu Y97VLOa3GG66lh+ZEelVZEujHfKceCw9G3PMvEzyLFbXvSOigZQMdKzQ8D/OChwqig8wFBmV QCPS4yDdmZP3oeDHRjJ9jvMUKoYODiNKsl2F+xXwyRM2qoKRqFlhCn4usVd1+wmv9iLV8nPs 2Db1ZIa49fJet3Sk3PN4bV1rAPuWvtbuTBN39Q/6MgkLTYHb84HyFKw14Rqe5YorrBLbF3rl M51Dpf6Egu1yTJDHCTEwePWug4XI11FT8lK0LNnHNpbhTCYRjX73iWOnFraJNcURld1jL1nV r/LRD+/e2gNtSTPK0Qkon6HcOBZnxRoqtazTU6YQRmGlT0v+rukj/cn5sToYibWLn+RoV1CE Qj6tApOiHBkpEsCzHGu+iDQ1WT0Idtdynst738f/uCeCMkdRu4WMZjteQaqvARFwCy3P/jpK uvzMtves5HvZw33ZwOtMCgbpce00DaET4y/UzsBNBFsZNTUBCACfQfpSsWJZyi+SHoRdVyX5 J6rI7okc4+b571a7RXD5UhS9dlVRVVAtrU9ANSLqPTQKGVxHrqD39XSw8hxK61pw8p90pg4G /N3iuWEvyt+t0SxDDkClnGsDyRhlUyEWYFEoBrrCizbmahOUwqkJbNMfzj5Y7n7OIJOxNRkB IBOjPdF26dMP69BwePQao1M8Acrrex9sAHYjQGyVmReRjVEtv9iG4DoTsnIR3amKVk6si4Ea X/mrapJqSCcBUVYUFH8M7bsm4CSxier5ofy8jTEa/CfvkqpKThTMCQPNZKY7hke5qEq1CBk2 wxhX48ZrJEFf1v3NuV3OimgsF2odzieNABEBAAHCwXwEGAEKACYCGwwWIQSpQNQ0mSwujpkQ PVAiT6fnzIKmZAUCZ8gcVAUJFhTonwAKCRAiT6fnzIKmZLY8D/9uo3Ut9yi2YCuASWxr7QQZ lJCViArjymbxYB5NdOeC50/0gnhK4pgdHlE2MdwF6o34x7TPFGpjNFvycZqccSQPJ/gibwNA zx3q9vJT4Vw+YbiyS53iSBLXMweeVV1Jd9IjAoL+EqB0cbxoFXvnjkvP1foiiF5r73jCd4PR rD+GoX5BZ7AZmFYmuJYBm28STM2NA6LhT0X+2su16f/HtummENKcMwom0hNu3MBNPUOrujtW khQrWcJNAAsy4yMoJ2Lw51T/5X5Hc7jQ9da9fyqu+phqlVtn70qpPvgWy4HRhr25fCAEXZDp xG4RNmTm+pqorHOqhBkI7wA7P/nyPo7ZEc3L+ZkQ37u0nlOyrjbNUniPGxPxv1imVq8IyycG AN5FaFxtiELK22gvudghLJaDiRBhn8/AhXc642/Z/yIpizE2xG4KU4AXzb6C+o7LX/WmmsWP Ly6jamSg6tvrdo4/e87lUedEqCtrp2o1xpn5zongf6cQkaLZKQcBQnPmgHO5OG8+50u88D9I rywqgzTUhHFKKF6/9L/lYtrNcHU8Z6Y4Ju/MLUiNYkmtrGIMnkjKCiRqlRrZE/v5YFHbayRD dJKXobXTtCBYpLJM4ZYRpGZXne/FAtWNe4KbNJJqxMvrTOrnIatPj8NhBVI0RSJRsbilh6TE m6M14QORSWTLRg== In-Reply-To: <20250909-green-oriole-of-speed-85cd6d@lemur> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.51 / 50.00]; BAYES_HAM(-3.00)[100.00%]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[suse.cz:s=susede2_rsa,suse.cz:s=susede2_ed25519]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.20)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[]; RBL_SPAMHAUS_BLOCKED_OPENRESOLVER(0.00)[2a07:de40:b281:104:10:150:64:97:from]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FUZZY_RATELIMITED(0.00)[rspamd.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_BLOCKED_OPENRESOLVER(0.00)[2a07:de40:b281:106:10:150:64:167:received]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_XBL(0.00)[2a07:de40:b281:104:10:150:64:97:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[9]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DBL_BLOCKED_OPENRESOLVER(0.00)[suse.cz:mid,suse.cz:dkim,msgid.link:url,imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org:helo,imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org:rdns]; DKIM_SIGNED(0.00)[suse.cz:s=susede2_rsa,suse.cz:s=susede2_ed25519]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suse.cz:+] X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Level: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 50CDD5D69B X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd2.dmz-prg2.suse.org X-Rspamd-Action: no action X-Spam-Score: -4.51 On 9/9/25 16:42, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 08:35:18AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote: >> >> On a global scale, that's quite a number of saved mailing list archive searches. >> > >> > +1 FWIW. I also started slapping the links on all patches in a series, >> > even if we apply with a merge commit. I don't know of a good way with >> > git to "get to the first parent merge" so scanning the history to find >> > the link in the cover letter was annoying me :( >> >> Like I've tried to argue, I find them useful too. But after this whole >> mess of a thread, I killed -l from my scripts. I do think it's a mistake >> and it seems like the only reason to remove them is that Linus expects >> to find something at the end of the link rainbow and is often >> disappointed, and that annoys him enough to rant about it. >> >> I know some folks downstream of me on the io_uring side find them useful >> too, because they've asked me several times to please remember to ensure >> my own self-applied patches have the link as well. For those, I tend to >> pick or add them locally rather than use b4 for it, which is why they've >> never had links. >> >> As far as I can tell, only two things have been established here: >> >> 1) Linus hates the Link tags, except if they have extra information >> 2) Lots of other folks find them useful >> >> and hence we're at a solid deadlock here. > > I did suggest that provenance links use the patch.msgid.link subdomain. This Yes, and the PR that started this thread had a normal lore link. Would it have been different with a patch.msgid.link as perhaps Linus would not try opening it and become disappointed? You did kinda ask that early in the thread but then the conversation went in different directions. > should clearly mark it as the source of the patch and not any other > discussion. I think this is a reasonable compromise that will only mildly > annoy Linus but let subsystems relying on these links continue to use them. > > -K >