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From: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
To: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
Cc: io-uring@vger.kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 07/10] io_uring/bpf: implement struct_ops registration
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2025 12:46:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <58126161-3451-414a-9ee4-83209bcba8fa@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aSRrundGeeIpaKmd@fedora>

On 11/24/25 14:29, Ming Lei wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 01:12:29PM +0000, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
>> On 11/24/25 03:44, Ming Lei wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 11:59:44AM +0000, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
...
>>> I feel per-io-uring struct_ops is less useful, because it means the io_uring
>>> application has to be capable of loading/registering struct_ops prog, which
>>> often needs privilege.
>>
>> I gave it a thought before, there would need to be a way to pass a
>> program from one (e.g. privileged) task to another, e.g. by putting
>> it into a list on attachment from where it can be imported. That
>> can be extended, and I needed to start somewhere.
> 
> If any task can ask such privileged task to load bpf program for itself,
> BPF_UNPRIV_DEFAULT_OFF becomes `N` actually for bpf controlled io_uring.

That's not what I said. There are enough apps that can have a
privileged component but caps are not extended to e.g. IO
workers.

>>> For example of IO link use case you mentioned, why does the application need
>>> to get privilege for running IO link?
>>
>> Links are there to compare with existing features. It's more interesting
>> to allow arbitrary relations / result propagation between requests. Maybe
>> some common patterns can be generalised, but otherwise nothing can be
>> done with this without custom tailored bpf programs.
> 
> I know the motivation, which is one thing covered in my IORING_OP_BPF patch
> too.
-- 
Pavel Begunkov


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-25 12:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-13 11:59 [PATCH v3 00/10] BPF controlled io_uring Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] io_uring: rename the wait queue entry field Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] io_uring: simplify io_cqring_wait_schedule results Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] io_uring: export __io_run_local_work Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] io_uring: extract waiting parameters into a struct Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] io_uring/bpf: add stubs for bpf struct_ops Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] io_uring/bpf: add handle events callback Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] io_uring/bpf: implement struct_ops registration Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-24  3:44   ` Ming Lei
2025-11-24 13:12     ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-24 14:29       ` Ming Lei
2025-11-25 12:46         ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] io_uring/bpf: add basic kfunc helpers Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] selftests/io_uring: update mini liburing Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] selftests/io_uring: add bpf io_uring selftests Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-14 13:08   ` Ming Lei
2025-11-19 19:00     ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-20  1:41       ` Ming Lei
2025-11-21 16:12         ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-22  0:19           ` Ming Lei
2025-11-24 11:57             ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-24 13:28               ` Ming Lei

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