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From: Kent Overstreet <[email protected]>
To: Bernd Schubert <[email protected]>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <[email protected]>,
	 Amir Goldstein <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected],
	 Andrew Morton <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], Ingo Molnar <[email protected]>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <[email protected]>,
	Andrei Vagin <[email protected]>,
	[email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 00/19] fuse: fuse-over-io-uring
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 11:36:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5mimjjxul2sc2g7x6pttnit46pbw3astwj2giqfr4xayp63el2@fb5bgtiavwgv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 08:00:35PM +0200, Bernd Schubert wrote:
> From: Bernd Schubert <[email protected]>
> 
> This adds support for uring communication between kernel and
> userspace daemon using opcode the IORING_OP_URING_CMD. The basic
> appraoch was taken from ublk.  The patches are in RFC state,
> some major changes are still to be expected.
> 
> Motivation for these patches is all to increase fuse performance.
> In fuse-over-io-uring requests avoid core switching (application
> on core X, processing of fuse server on random core Y) and use
> shared memory between kernel and userspace to transfer data.
> Similar approaches have been taken by ZUFS and FUSE2, though
> not over io-uring, but through ioctl IOs

What specifically is it about io-uring that's helpful here? Besides the
ringbuffer?

So the original mess was that because we didn't have a generic
ringbuffer, we had aio, tracing, and god knows what else all
implementing their own special purpose ringbuffers (all with weird
quirks of debatable or no usefulness).

It seems to me that what fuse (and a lot of other things want) is just a
clean simple easy to use generic ringbuffer for sending what-have-you
back and forth between the kernel and userspace - in this case RPCs from
the kernel to userspace.

But instead, the solution seems to be just toss everything into a new
giant subsystem?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-30 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-29 18:00 [PATCH RFC v2 00/19] fuse: fuse-over-io-uring Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 19/19] fuse: {uring} Optimize async sends Bernd Schubert
2024-05-31 16:24   ` Jens Axboe
2024-05-31 17:36     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-31 19:10       ` Jens Axboe
2024-06-01 16:37         ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30  7:07 ` [PATCH RFC v2 00/19] fuse: fuse-over-io-uring Amir Goldstein
2024-05-30 12:09   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 15:36 ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2024-05-30 16:02   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 16:10     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 16:17       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 17:30         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 19:09         ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 20:05           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-31  3:53         ` [PATCH] fs: sys_ringbuffer() (WIP) Kent Overstreet
2024-05-31 13:11           ` kernel test robot
2024-05-31 15:49           ` kernel test robot
2024-05-30 16:21     ` [PATCH RFC v2 00/19] fuse: fuse-over-io-uring Jens Axboe
2024-05-30 16:32       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 17:26         ` Jens Axboe
2024-05-30 17:16       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 17:28         ` Jens Axboe
2024-05-30 17:58           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 18:48             ` Jens Axboe
2024-05-30 19:35               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-31  0:11                 ` Jens Axboe
2024-06-04 23:45       ` Ming Lei
2024-05-30 20:47 ` Josef Bacik
2024-06-11  8:20 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-11 10:26   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-11 15:35     ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-11 17:37       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-11 23:35         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-12 13:53           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 14:19             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-12 15:40               ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 15:55                 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-12 16:15                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 16:24                     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-12 16:44                       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12  7:39         ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-12 13:32           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 13:46             ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 14:07             ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-12 14:56               ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-02 23:03                 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-29 22:32                 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-30 13:12                   ` Jens Axboe
2024-08-30 13:28                     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-30 13:33                       ` Jens Axboe
2024-08-30 14:55                         ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-08-30 15:10                           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-30 20:08                           ` Jens Axboe
2024-08-31  0:02                             ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-31  0:49                               ` Bernd Schubert

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