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From: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
To: Jeff Xu <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Protection key in io uring kthread
Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 12:04:11 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABi2SkXyMcYEKSwtg7Acg7_j6WCYFmrOeJOLrKTMXCm4FL2fcQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/24/23 11:44?AM, Jeff Xu wrote:
> Hi Jens,
> Thanks for responding.
> 
> On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 8:06?AM Jens Axboe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On 5/23/23 8:48?PM, Jeff Xu wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> I have a question on the protection key in io_uring. Today, when a
>>> user thread enters the kernel through syscall, PKRU is preserved, and
>>> the kernel  will respect the PKEY protection of memory.
>>>
>>> For example:
>>> sys_mprotect_pkey((void *)ptr, size, PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE, pkey);
>>> pkey_write_deny(pkey); <-- disable write access to pkey for this thread.
>>> ret = read(fd, ptr, 1); <-- this will fail in the kernel.
>>>
>>> I wonder what is the case for io_uring, since read is now async, will
>>> kthread have the user thread's PKUR ?
>>
>> There is no kthread. What can happen is that some operation may be
>> punted to the io-wq workers, but these act exactly like a thread created
>> by the original task. IOW, if normal threads retain the protection key,
>> so will any io-wq io_uring thread. If they don't, they do not.
>>
> Does this also apply to when the IORING_SETUP_SQPOLL [1] flag is used
> ? it mentions a kernel thread is created to perform submission queue
> polling.

It doesn't matter if it's SQPOLL or one of the io-wq workers, they are
created in the same way. For all intents and purposes, they are
userspace threads, identical to one you'd get with pthread_create().
Only difference is that they never return to userspace.

>>> In theory, it is possible, i.e. from io_uring_enter syscall. But I
>>> don't know the implementation details of io_uring, hence asking the
>>> expert in this list.
>>
>> Right, if the IO is done inline, then it won't make a difference if eg
>> read(2) is used or IORING_OP_READ (or similar) with io_uring.
>>
> Can you please clarify what "IO is done inline" means ? i.e. are there
> cases that are not inline ?

I mean if the execution of it ends up being app -> io_uring_enter() ->
do io. For some operations, you could end up with:

io_uring_enter() -> punt to io_wq
	io_wq -> do io

either implicitly because the "do io" operation doesn't support
nonblocking issue (or ran out of resrouces), or explicitly if you set
IOSQE_ASYNC in the SQE you submitted.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-24 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-24  2:48 Protection key in io uring kthread Jeff Xu
2023-05-24 15:06 ` Jens Axboe
2023-05-24 17:44   ` Jeff Xu
2023-05-24 18:04     ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2023-05-24 19:21       ` Jeff Xu

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