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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Caleb Sander Mateos <csander@purestorage.com>
Cc: io-uring <io-uring@vger.kernel.org>,
	Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] io_uring fix for 6.17-rc5
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 13:07:26 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <67393fa5-d103-48a0-b62b-0f9197bfdc99@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f0f31943-cfed-463d-8e03-9855ba027830@kernel.dk>

On 9/5/25 1:04 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 9/5/25 11:24 AM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Sept 2025 at 04:18, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just a single fix for an issue with the resource node rewrite that
>>> happened a few releases ago. Please pull!
>>
>> I've pulled this, but the commentary is strange, and the patch makes
>> no sense to me, so I unpulled it again.
>>
>> Yes, it changes things from kvmalloc_array() to kvcalloc(). Fine.
>>
>> And yes, kvcalloc() clearly clears the resulting allocation. Also fine.
>>
>> But even in the old version, it used __GFP_ZERO.
>>
>> In fact, afaik the *ONLY* difference between kvcalloc() and
>> kvmalloc_array() array is that kvcalloc() adds the __GFP_ZERO to the
>> flags argument:
>>
>>    #define kvcalloc_node_noprof(_n,_s,_f,_node)  \
>>       kvmalloc_array_node_noprof(_n,_s,(_f)|__GFP_ZERO,_node)
>>
>> so afaik, this doesn't actually fix anything at all.
> 
> Agree, I think I was too hasty in queueing that up. I overlooked that we
> already had __GFP_ZERO in there. On the road this week and tending to
> these kinds of duties in between, my bad. Caleb??
> 
>> And dammit, this commit has that promising "Link:" argument that I
>> hoped would explain why this pointless commit exists, but AS ALWAYS
>> that link only wasted my time by pointing to the same damn information
>> that was already there.
> 
> [snip long rant on Link: tags]
> 
> I just always add these, because discussion might happen after the fact.
> For example, someone might run into an issue from an added patch, and
> reply to the list. That does happen.
> 
> IMHO it's better to have a Link and it _potentially_ being useful than
> not to have it and then need to search around for it. Searching is MUCH
> worse than the disappointment of a Link that tells you nothing that
> isn't in the commit already, and it wastes a lot more time.
> 
> And if you're applying a series of patches, then it'll take you to the
> cover letter. Which is useful. All without needing to go search on lore.
> You could argue that you could turn any applied series into a merge and
> add the cover letter there, or link it at least, but lots of things
> don't end up in a merge commit before you pull it.
> 
> What is the hurt here, really, other than you being disappointed there's
> nothing extra in the link?
> 
> I, and everybody else, can surely start making judgement calls on when
> to add the Link or not. But that seems error prone, and might indeed
> miss useful cases because a bug report comes in AFTER the fact.
> 
> In any case, if it really bothers you that much, then just make it
> policy. Historically I suppose policy has very much been formed by Linus
> rants in replies, which then gets picked up by LWN and others and then
> it becomes part of "Linux kernel lore" of this is what Linus expects.
> But I bet you that LWN would pick up a Linus email on the topic that
> isn't a reply, which said that you've observed Link: tag being used
> frivilously and why you find that annoying. And THAT would save you a
> lot more time rather than need to rant about it multiple times.

Oh, and I totally forgot the relevant tag this time:

Link: https://media.tenor.com/74lPb8mSRQMAAAAM/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud.gif

;-)

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-05 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-05 11:18 [GIT PULL] io_uring fix for 6.17-rc5 Jens Axboe
2025-09-05 17:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-05 17:45   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-05 18:06     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-05 19:33       ` Link trailers revisited (was Re: [GIT PULL] io_uring fix for 6.17-rc5) Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-05 20:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-05 20:47         ` Sasha Levin
2025-09-06 11:27         ` Greg KH
2025-09-06 11:27           ` Greg KH
2025-09-06 11:30             ` Greg KH
2025-09-06 13:51           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-06 15:31             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-06 18:50               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-06 19:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-08  9:11                   ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-08 11:59                 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-08 20:11         ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-09 11:29           ` Mark Brown
2025-09-09 13:17           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-09-09 14:18             ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-09-09 14:35               ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-09 14:42                 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-09 14:48                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-09 14:50                     ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-09 15:30                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-09-09 16:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-09 17:08                         ` Mark Brown
2025-09-09 17:50                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-09 17:58                             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-09 18:31                               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-09 19:36                                 ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-10  1:12                                 ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-10 12:19                                   ` Mark Brown
2025-09-09 17:25                         ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-09 17:56                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-09 18:01                             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-09 18:13                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-09 18:06                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-09 18:14                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-09 18:22                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-09 21:05                               ` Mark Brown
2025-09-10  1:33                                 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-09 14:44                 ` Greg KH
2025-09-09 15:14                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-09-09 16:32         ` [RFC] b4 dig: Add AI-powered email relationship discovery command Sasha Levin
2025-09-09 17:22           ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-09 17:26             ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-09 18:54               ` Sasha Levin
2025-09-10 10:13                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-10 10:55                   ` Sasha Levin
2025-09-10 11:29                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-10 13:38             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-10 14:03               ` Andrew Dona-Couch
2025-09-11 14:48           ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2025-09-11 15:05             ` Sasha Levin
2025-09-11 19:13               ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2025-09-11 19:57                 ` Sasha Levin
2025-09-15 11:26                   ` Mark Brown
2025-09-15 11:48                     ` Sasha Levin
2025-09-15 12:03                       ` Mark Brown
2025-09-11 23:24           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-07 22:04     ` [GIT PULL] io_uring fix for 6.17-rc5 Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-05 19:04   ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-05 19:07     ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2025-09-05 19:13     ` Caleb Sander Mateos
2025-09-05 19:16       ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-05 19:15     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-05 19:23       ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-05 19:21     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-05 19:30       ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-05 20:54         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-06  0:01           ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-07 18:47             ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-08 22:15             ` Alexei Starovoitov

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