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From: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
To: Oleg Nesterov <[email protected]>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <[email protected]>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <[email protected]>,
	io-uring <[email protected]>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <[email protected]>,
	Stefan Metzmacher <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Don't show PF_IO_WORKER in /proc/<pid>/task/
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:43:20 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On 3/25/21 2:40 PM, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 03/25, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>
>> So looking quickly the flip side of the coin is gdb (and other
>> debuggers) needs a way to know these threads are special, so it can know
>> not to attach.
> 
> may be,
> 
>> I suspect getting -EPERM (or possibly a different error code) when
>> attempting attach is the right was to know that a thread is not
>> available to be debugged.
> 
> may be.
> 
> But I don't think we can blame gdb. The kernel changed the rules, and this
> broke gdb. IOW, I don't agree this is gdb bug.

Right, that's what I was getting at too - and it's likely not just gdb.
We have to ensure that we don't break this use case, which seems to
imply that we:

1) Just make it work, or
2) Make them hidden in such a way that gdb doesn't see them, but
   regular tooling does

#2 seems fraught with peril, and maybe not even possible.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-25 20:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-25 16:43 [PATCH 0/2] Don't show PF_IO_WORKER in /proc/<pid>/task/ Jens Axboe
2021-03-25 16:43 ` [PATCH 1/2] kernel: don't include PF_IO_WORKERs as part of same_thread_group() Jens Axboe
2021-03-25 16:43 ` [PATCH 2/2] proc: don't show PF_IO_WORKER threads as threads in /proc/<pid>/task/ Jens Axboe
2021-03-25 19:33 ` [PATCH 0/2] Don't show PF_IO_WORKER " Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-25 19:38   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-03-25 19:40     ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-25 19:42     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-03-25 19:46       ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-25 20:21         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-25 20:40           ` Oleg Nesterov
2021-03-25 20:43             ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2021-03-25 20:48             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-25 20:42           ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-25 20:12       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-03-25 20:40         ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-25 21:44           ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-25 21:57             ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-03-26  0:11               ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-26 11:59                 ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-04-01 14:40                   ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-03-25 22:37             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-03-26  0:08               ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-25 20:43         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-25 21:50           ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-25 20:44         ` Oleg Nesterov
2021-03-25 20:55           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-25 21:20             ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-03-25 21:48               ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-03-25 19:40   ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-25 20:32     ` Oleg Nesterov

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