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From: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
To: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>, Jann Horn <[email protected]>
Cc: io-uring <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/7] io_uring: don't wait when under-submitting
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 12:38:04 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On 12/18/2019 3:06 AM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 12/17/19 4:55 PM, Jann Horn wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:54 PM Jens Axboe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> There is no reliable way to submit and wait in a single syscall, as
>>> io_submit_sqes() may under-consume sqes (in case of an early error).
>>> Then it will wait for not-yet-submitted requests, deadlocking the user
>>> in most cases.
>>>
>>> In such cases adjust min_complete, so it won't wait for more than
>>> what have been submitted in the current io_uring_enter() call. It
>>> may be less than total in-flight, but that up to a user to handle.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
>>> Signed-off-by: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
>> [...]
>>>         if (flags & IORING_ENTER_GETEVENTS) {
>>>                 unsigned nr_events = 0;
>>>
>>>                 min_complete = min(min_complete, ctx->cq_entries);
>>> +               if (submitted != to_submit)
>>> +                       min_complete = min(min_complete, (u32)submitted);
>>
>> Hm. Let's say someone submits two requests, first an ACCEPT request
>> that might stall indefinitely and then a WRITE to a file on disk that
>> is expected to complete quickly; and the caller uses min_complete=1
>> because they want to wait for the WRITE op. But now the submission of
>> the WRITE fails, io_uring_enter() computes min_complete=min(1, 1)=1,
>> and it blocks on the ACCEPT op. That would be bad, right?
>>
>> If the usecase I described is valid, I think it might make more sense
>> to do something like this:
>>
>> u32 missing_submissions = to_submit - submitted;
>> min_complete = min(min_complete, ctx->cq_entries);
>> if ((flags & IORING_ENTER_GETEVENTS) && missing_submissions < min_complete) {
>>   min_complete -= missing_submissions;
>>   [...]
>> }
>>
>> In other words: If we do a partially successful submission, only wait
>> as long as we know that userspace definitely wants us to wait for one
>> of the pending requests; and once we can't tell whether userspace
>> intended to wait longer, return to userspace and let the user decide.
>>
>> Or it might make sense to just ignore IORING_ENTER_GETEVENTS
>> completely in the partial submission case, in case userspace wants to
>> immediately react to the failed request by writing out an error
>> message to a socket or whatever. This case probably isn't
>> performance-critical, right? And it would simplify things a bit.
> 
> That's a good point, and Pavel's first patch actually did that. I
> didn't consider the different request type case, which might be
> uncommon but definitely valid.
> 
> Probably the safest bet here is just to not wait at all if we fail
> submitting all of them. This isn't a fast path, there was an error
> somehow which meant we didn't submit it all. So just return the
> submit count (including 0, not -EAGAIN) if we fail submitting,
> and ignore IORING_ENTER_GETEVENTS for that case.
> 
I see nothing wrong with -EAGAIN, it's returned only if it can't
allocate memory for the first request. If so, can you then just take the
v1? It will probably be applied cleanly.

> Pavel, care to submit a new one? I'll drop this one now.
> 

-- 
Pavel Begunkov

  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-18  9:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-17 22:54 [PATCHSET] io_uring fixes for 5.5 Jens Axboe
2019-12-17 22:54 ` [PATCH 1/7] io_uring: fix stale comment and a few typos Jens Axboe
2019-12-17 22:54 ` [PATCH 2/7] io_uring: fix sporadic -EFAULT from IORING_OP_RECVMSG Jens Axboe
2019-12-17 22:54 ` [PATCH 3/7] io_uring: don't wait when under-submitting Jens Axboe
2019-12-17 23:55   ` Jann Horn
2019-12-18  0:06     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-18  9:38       ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2019-12-18 13:02         ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-18 13:09           ` Pavel Begunkov
2019-12-17 22:54 ` [PATCH 4/7] io_uring: fix pre-prepped issue with force_nonblock == true Jens Axboe
2019-12-17 22:54 ` [PATCH 5/7] io_uring: remove 'sqe' parameter to the OP helpers that take it Jens Axboe
2019-12-17 22:54 ` [PATCH 6/7] io_uring: any deferred command must have stable sqe data Jens Axboe
2019-12-17 22:54 ` [PATCH 7/7] io_uring: make HARDLINK imply LINK Jens Axboe

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