From: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <[email protected]>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <[email protected]>,
io-uring <[email protected]>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <[email protected]>,
Oleg Nesterov <[email protected]>,
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET 0/2] PF_IO_WORKER signal tweaks
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:42:36 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
On 3/21/21 9:18 AM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Jens Axboe <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> On 3/20/21 4:08 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>>
>>> Added criu because I just realized that io_uring (which can open files
>>> from an io worker thread) looks to require some special handling for
>>> stopping and freezing processes. If not in the SIGSTOP case in the
>>> related cgroup freezer case.
>>>
>>> Linus Torvalds <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 10:51 AM Linus Torvalds
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alternatively, make it not use
>>>>> CLONE_SIGHAND|CLONE_THREAD at all, but that would make it
>>>>> unnecessarily allocate its own signal state, so that's "cleaner" but
>>>>> not great either.
>>>>
>>>> Thinking some more about that, it would be problematic for things like
>>>> the resource counters too. They'd be much better shared.
>>>>
>>>> Not adding it to the thread list etc might be clever, but feels a bit too scary.
>>>>
>>>> So on the whole I think Jens' minor patches to just not have IO helper
>>>> threads accept signals are probably the right thing to do.
>>>
>>> The way I see it we have two options:
>>>
>>> 1) Don't ask PF_IO_WORKERs to stop do_signal_stop and in
>>> task_join_group_stop.
>>>
>>> The easiest comprehensive implementation looks like just
>>> updating task_set_jobctl_pending to treat PF_IO_WORKER
>>> as it treats PF_EXITING.
>>>
>>> 2) Have the main loop of the kernel thread test for JOBCTL_STOP_PENDING
>>> and call into do_signal_stop.
>>>
>>> It is a wee bit trickier to modify the io_workers to stop, but it does
>>> not look prohibitively difficult.
>>>
>>> All of the work performed by the io worker is work scheduled via
>>> io_uring by the process being stopped.
>>>
>>> - Is the amount of work performed by the io worker thread sufficiently
>>> negligible that we don't care?
>>>
>>> - Or is the amount of work performed by the io worker so great that it
>>> becomes a way for an errant process to escape SIGSTOP?
>>>
>>> As the code is all intermingled with the cgroup_freezer. I am also
>>> wondering creating checkpoints needs additional stopping guarantees.
>>
>> The work done is the same a syscall, basically. So it could be long
>> running and essentially not doing anything (eg read from a socket, no
>> data is there), or it's pretty short lived (eg read from a file, just
>> waiting on DMA).
>>
>> This is outside of my domain of expertise, which is exactly why I added
>> you and Linus to make some calls on what the best approach here would
>> be. My two patches obviously go route #1 in terms of STOP. And fwiw,
>> I tested this:
>>
>>> To solve the issue that SIGSTOP is simply broken right now I am totally
>>> fine with something like:
>>>
>>> diff --git a/kernel/signal.c b/kernel/signal.c
>>> index ba4d1ef39a9e..cb9acdfb32fa 100644
>>> --- a/kernel/signal.c
>>> +++ b/kernel/signal.c
>>> @@ -288,7 +288,8 @@ bool task_set_jobctl_pending(struct task_struct *task, unsigned long mask)
>>> JOBCTL_STOP_SIGMASK | JOBCTL_TRAPPING));
>>> BUG_ON((mask & JOBCTL_TRAPPING) && !(mask & JOBCTL_PENDING_MASK));
>>>
>>> - if (unlikely(fatal_signal_pending(task) || (task->flags & PF_EXITING)))
>>> + if (unlikely(fatal_signal_pending(task) ||
>>> + (task->flags & (PF_EXITING | PF_IO_WORKER))))
>>> return false;
>>>
>>> if (mask & JOBCTL_STOP_SIGMASK)
>>
>> and can confirm it works fine for me with 2/2 reverted and this applied
>> instead.
>>
>>> Which just keeps from creating unstoppable processes today. I am just
>>> not convinced that is what we want as a long term solution.
>>
>> How about we go with either my 2/2 or yours above to at least ensure we
>> don't leave workers looping as schedule() is a nop with sigpending? If
>> there's a longer timeline concern that "evading" SIGSTOP is a concern, I
>> have absolutely no qualms with making the IO threads participate. But
>> since it seems conceptually simple but with potentially lurking minor
>> issues, probably not the ideal approach for right now.
>
>
> Here is the signoff for mine.
>
> Signed-off-by: "Eric W. Biederman" <[email protected]>
>
> Yours misses the joining of group stop during fork. So we better use
> mine.
I've updated it and attributed it to you, here is is:
https://git.kernel.dk/cgit/linux-block/commit/?h=io_uring-5.12&id=4db4b1a0d1779dc159f7b87feb97030ec0b12597
> As far as I can see that fixes the outstanding bugs.
Great!
> Jens can you make a proper patch out of it and send it to Linus for
> -rc4? I unfortunately have other commitments and this is all I can do
> for today.
Will do - I'm going to sanity run the current branch and do a followup
pull request for Linus once I've verified everything is still sane.
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-03-21 15:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-20 15:38 [PATCHSET 0/2] PF_IO_WORKER signal tweaks Jens Axboe
2021-03-20 15:38 ` [PATCH 1/2] signal: don't allow sending any signals to PF_IO_WORKER threads Jens Axboe
2021-03-20 16:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-20 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-03-20 21:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-20 22:42 ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-21 14:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-21 15:40 ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-20 15:38 ` [PATCH 2/2] signal: don't allow STOP on " Jens Axboe
2021-03-20 16:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-22 16:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2021-03-22 16:15 ` Oleg Nesterov
2021-03-20 16:26 ` [PATCHSET 0/2] PF_IO_WORKER signal tweaks Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-20 17:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-03-20 19:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-03-20 22:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-20 22:53 ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-21 15:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-21 15:42 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2021-03-20 22:56 ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-20 17:05 ` kernel test robot
2021-03-20 17:05 ` kernel test robot
2021-03-20 19:10 ` kernel test robot
2021-03-22 16:05 ` Oleg Nesterov
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