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Fri, 05 Sep 2025 12:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72fb5776-0c50-42b8-943d-940960714811@kernel.dk> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 13:30:20 -0600 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: io-uring@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] io_uring fix for 6.17-rc5 To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Caleb Sander Mateos , io-uring , Konstantin Ryabitsev References: <9ef87524-d15c-4b2c-9f86-00417dad9c48@kernel.dk> Content-Language: en-US From: Jens Axboe In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9/5/25 1:21 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Fri, 5 Sept 2025 at 12:04, Jens Axboe wrote: >> >> What is the hurt here, really, other than you being disappointed there's >> nothing extra in the link? > > And just to clarify: the hurt is real. It's not just the > disappointment. It's the wasted effort of following a link and having > to then realize that there's nothing useful there. > > Those links *literally* double the effort for me when I try to be > careful about patches. > > So the "what's the hurt here" question is WRONG. The cost is real. The > cost is something I've complained about before. > > I'm tired of having to complain about this, and I'm really really > tired of wasting my time on links that people have added with > absolutely zero effort and no thinking to back them up. Like I said, I think there more fruitful ways to get the point across and this picked up and well known, because I don't believe it is right now. > Yes, it's literally free to you to add this cost. No, *YOU* don't see > the cost, and you think it is helpful. It's not. It's the opposite of > helpful. As a maintainer, yes it's free to add, and it removes the cost of needing to think about this. Which is why lots of people just have -l as the default. Exactly because then you don't have to think about it. I do agree that this adds a lot of frivolous links, I think the mindset has just been "well better to always have it there, rather than to never even if you rarely need it". > So I want commit messages to be relevant and explain what is going on, > and I want them to NOT WASTE MY TIME. > > And I also don't want to ignore links that are actually *useful* and > give background information. > > Is that really too much to ask for? No I think that's fine, I'm mostly just complaining about the approach in getting there. I think we all prefer the commit messages to be as useful and relevant as possible. -- Jens Axboe