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From: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
To: io-uring <[email protected]>
Cc: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
	"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
	LKML <[email protected]>, bpf <[email protected]>,
	[email protected]
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] io_uring: BPF controlled I/O
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 10:16:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

I botched subject tags, should be [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC].

On 6/5/21 10:08 AM, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
> One of the core ideas behind io_uring is passing requests via memory
> shared b/w the userspace and the kernel, a.k.a. queues or rings. That
> serves a purpose of reducing number of context switches or bypassing
> them, but the userspace is responsible for controlling the flow,
> reaping and processing completions (a.k.a. Completion Queue Entry, CQE),
> and submitting new requests, adding extra context switches even if there
> is not much work to do. A simple illustration is read(open()), where
> io_uring is unable to propagate the returned fd to the read, with more
> cases piling up.
> 
> The big picture idea stays the same since last year, to give out some
> of this control to BPF, allow it to check results of completed requests,
> manipulate memory if needed and submit new requests. Apart from being
> just a glue between two requests, it might even offer more flexibility
> like keeping a QD, doing reduce/broadcast and so on.
> 
> The prototype [1,2] is in a good shape but some work need to be done.
> However, the main concern is getting an understanding what features and
> functionality have to be added to be flexible enough. Various toy
> examples can be found at [3] ([1] includes an overview of cases).
> 
> Discussion points:
> - Use cases, feature requests, benchmarking
> - Userspace programming model, code reuse (e.g. liburing)
> - BPF-BPF and userspace-BPF synchronisation. There is
>   CQE based notification approach and plans (see design
>   notes), however need to discuss what else might be
>   needed.
> - Do we need more contexts passed apart from user_data?
>   e.g. specifying a BPF map/array/etc fd io_uring requests?
> - Userspace atomics and efficiency of userspace reads/writes. If
>   proved to be not performant enough there are potential ways to take
>   on it, e.g. inlining, having it in BPF ISA, and pre-verifying
>   userspace pointers.
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/io-uring/[email protected]/T/#m31d0a2ac6e2213f912a200f5e8d88bd74f81406b
> [2] https://github.com/isilence/linux/tree/ebpf_v2
> [3] https://github.com/isilence/liburing/tree/ebpf_v2/examples/bpf
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Design notes:
> 
> Instead of basing it on hooks it adds support of a new type of io_uring
> requests as it gives a better control and let's to reuse internal
> infrastructure. These requests run a new type of io_uring BPF programs
> wired with a bunch of new helpers for submitting requests and dealing
> with CQEs, are allowed to read/write userspace memory in virtue of a
> recently added sleepable BPF feature. and also provided with a token
> (generic io_uring token, aka user_data, specified at submission and
> returned in an CQE), which may be used to pass a userspace pointer used
> as a context.
> 
> Besides running BPF programs, they are able to request waiting.
> Currently it supports CQ waiting for a number of completions, but others
> might be added and/or needed, e.g. futex and/or requeueing the current
> BPF request onto an io_uring request/link being submitted. That hides
> the overhead of creating BPF requests by keeping them alive and
> invoking multiple times.
> 
> Another big chunk solved is figuring out a good way of feeding CQEs
> (potentially many) to a BPF program. The current approach
> is to enable multiple completion queues (CQ), and specify for each
> request to which one steer its CQE, so all the synchronisation
> is in control of the userspace. For instance, there may be a separate
> CQ per each in-flight BPF request, and they can work with their own
> queues and send an CQE to the main CQ so notifying the userspace.
> It also opens up a notification-like sync through CQE posting to
> neighbours' CQs.
> 
> 

-- 
Pavel Begunkov

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-05  9:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-05  9:08 io_uring: BPF controlled I/O Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-05  9:16 ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2021-06-07 18:51 ` Victor Stewart
2021-06-10  9:09   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-14  7:54   ` David Laight

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