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From: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
To: Keith Busch <[email protected]>, Ming Lei <[email protected]>
Cc: Keith Busch <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 0/6] ublk zero-copy support
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 16:06:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z6y-M7cby-ZAoLzY@kbusch-mbp>

On 2/12/25 15:28, Keith Busch wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 10:29:32AM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
>> It is explained in the following links:
>>
>> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/[email protected]/
>>
>> - node kbuffer is registered in ublk uring_cmd's ->issue(), but lookup
>>    in RW_FIXED OP's ->prep(), and ->prep() is always called before calling
>>    ->issue() when the two are submitted in same io_uring_enter(), so you
>>    need to move io_rsrc_node_lookup() & buffer importing from RW_FIXED's ->prep()
>>    to ->issue() first.
> 
> I don't think that's accurate, at least in practice. In a normal flow,
> we'll have this sequence:
> 
>   io_submit_sqes
>     io_submit_sqe (uring_cmd ublk register)
>       io_init_req
>         ->prep()
>       io_queue_sqe
>         ->issue()
>     io_submit_sqe (read/write_fixed)
>       io_init_req
>         ->prep()
>       io_queue_sqe
>        ->issue()
> 
> The first SQE is handled in its entirety before even looking at the
> subsequent SQE. Since the register is first, then the read/write_fixed's
> prep will have a valid index. Testing this patch series appears to show
> this reliably works.

Ming describes how it works for links. This one is indeed how
non links are normally executed. Though I'd repeat it's an
implementation detail and not a part of the uapi. Interestingly,
Keith, you sent some patches changing the ordering here quite a
while ago, just as an example of how it can change.


>> - secondly, ->issue() order is only respected by IO_LINK, and io_uring
>>    can't provide such guarantee without using IO_LINK:
>>
>>    Pavel explained it in the following link:
>>
>>    https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/[email protected]/
>>
>>    There are also other examples, such as, register buffer stays in one
>>    link chain, and the consumer OP isn't in this chain, the consumer OP
>>    can still be issued before issuing register_buffer.
> 
> Yep, I got that. Linking is just something I was hoping to avoid. I
> understand there are conditions that can break the normal flow I'm
> relying on regarding  the ordering. This hasn't appeared to be a problem
> in practice, but I agree this needs to be handled.

-- 
Pavel Begunkov


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-12 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-11  0:56 [PATCHv2 0/6] ublk zero-copy support Keith Busch
2025-02-11  0:56 ` [PATCHv2 1/6] io_uring: use node for import Keith Busch
2025-02-11  0:56 ` [PATCHv2 2/6] io_uring: create resource release callback Keith Busch
2025-02-13  1:31   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-02-13  1:58     ` Keith Busch
2025-02-13 13:06       ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-02-11  0:56 ` [PATCHv2 3/6] io_uring: add support for kernel registered bvecs Keith Busch
2025-02-13  1:33   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-02-14  3:30   ` Ming Lei
2025-02-14 15:26     ` Keith Busch
2025-02-15  1:34       ` Ming Lei
2025-02-18 20:34         ` Keith Busch
2025-02-11  0:56 ` [PATCHv2 4/6] ublk: zc register/unregister bvec Keith Busch
2025-02-12  2:49   ` Ming Lei
2025-02-12  4:11     ` Keith Busch
2025-02-12  9:24       ` Ming Lei
2025-02-12 14:59         ` Keith Busch
2025-02-13  2:12   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-02-11  0:56 ` [PATCHv2 5/6] io_uring: add abstraction for buf_table rsrc data Keith Busch
2025-02-11  0:56 ` [PATCHv2 6/6] io_uring: cache nodes and mapped buffers Keith Busch
2025-02-11 16:47   ` Keith Busch
2025-02-12  2:29 ` [PATCHv2 0/6] ublk zero-copy support Ming Lei
2025-02-12 15:28   ` Keith Busch
2025-02-12 16:06     ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2025-02-13  1:52       ` Ming Lei
2025-02-13 15:12 ` lizetao
2025-02-13 16:06   ` Keith Busch
2025-02-14  3:39     ` lizetao
2025-02-14  2:41   ` Ming Lei
2025-02-14  4:21     ` lizetao

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