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From: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
To: Stefan Metzmacher <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH for-6.0 0/5] IORING_OP_SEND_ZC improvements
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:39:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On 9/17/22 11:44, Stefan Metzmacher wrote:
> Am 17.09.22 um 11:16 schrieb Pavel Begunkov:
>> On 9/16/22 22:36, Stefan Metzmacher wrote:
>>> Hi Pavel, hi Jens,
>>>
>>> I did some initial testing with IORING_OP_SEND_ZC.
>>> While reading the code I think I found a race that
>>> can lead to IORING_CQE_F_MORE being missing even if
>>> the net layer got references.
>>
>> Hey Stefan,
>>
>> Did you see some kind of buggy behaviour in userspace?

Apologies for the delay,

> No I was just reading the code and found it a bit confusing,
> and couldn't prove that we don't have a problem with loosing
> a notif cqe.
> 
>> If network sends anything it should return how many bytes
>> it queued for sending, otherwise there would be duplicated
>> packets / data on the other endpoint in userspace, and I
>> don't think any driver / lower layer would keep memory
>> after returning an error.
> 
> As I'm also working on a socket driver for smbdirect,
> I already thought about how I could hook into
> IORING_OP_SEND[MSG]_ZC, and for sendmsg I'd have
> a loop sending individual fragments, which have a reference,
> but if I find a connection drop after the first one, I'd
> return ECONNRESET or EPIPE in order to get faster recovery
> instead of announcing a short write to the caller.

I doesn't sound right for me, but neither I know samba to
really have an opinion. In any case, I see how it may be
more robust if we always try to push a notification cqe.
Will you send a patch?

> If we would take my 5/5 we could also have a different
> strategy to check decide if MORE/NOTIF is needed.
> If notif->cqe.res is still 0 and io_notif_flush drops
> the last reference we could go without MORE/NOTIF at all.
> In all other cases we'd either set MORE/NOTIF at the end
> of io_sendzc of in the fail hook.

I had a similar optimisation, i.e. when io_notif_flush() in
the submission path is dropping the last ref, but killed it
as it was completely useless, I haven't hit this path even
once even with UDP, not to mention TCP.

>> In any case, I was looking on a bit different problem, but
>> it should look much cleaner using the same approach, see
>> branch [1], and patch [3] for sendzc in particular.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/isilence/linux.git partial-fail
>> [2] https://github.com/isilence/linux/tree/io_uring/partial-fail
>> [3] https://github.com/isilence/linux/commit/acb4f9bf869e1c2542849e11d992a63d95f2b894
> 
>      const struct io_op_def *def = &io_op_defs[req->opcode];
> 
>      req_set_fail(req);
>      io_req_set_res(req, res, io_put_kbuf(req, IO_URING_F_UNLOCKED));
>      if (def->fail)
>          def->fail(req);
>      io_req_complete_post(req);
> 
> Will loose req->cqe.flags, but the fail hook in general looks like a good idea.

I just don't like those sporadic changes all across core io_uring
code also adding some overhead.

> And don't we care about the other failure cases where req->cqe.flags gets overwritten?

We don't usually carry them around ->issue handler boundaries,
e.g. directly do io_post_aux_cqe(res, IORING_CQE_F_MORE);

IORING_CQE_F_BUFFER is a bit more trickier, but there is
special handling for this one and it wouldn't fit "set cflags
in advance" logic anyway.

iow, ->fail callback sounds good enough for now, we'll change
it later if needed.

-- 
Pavel Begunkov

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-21 11:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-16 21:36 [PATCH for-6.0 0/5] IORING_OP_SEND_ZC improvements Stefan Metzmacher
2022-09-16 21:36 ` [PATCH 1/5] io_uring/opdef: rename SENDZC_NOTIF to SEND_ZC Stefan Metzmacher
2022-09-17  9:17   ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-09-16 21:36 ` [PATCH 2/5] io_uring/core: move io_cqe->fd over from io_cqe->flags to io_cqe->res Stefan Metzmacher
2022-09-16 21:36 ` [PATCH 3/5] io_uring/core: keep req->cqe.flags on generic errors Stefan Metzmacher
2022-09-16 21:36 ` [PATCH 4/5] io_uring/net: let io_sendzc set IORING_CQE_F_MORE before sock_sendmsg() Stefan Metzmacher
2022-09-16 21:36 ` [PATCH 5/5] io_uring/notif: let userspace know how effective the zero copy usage was Stefan Metzmacher
2022-09-17  9:22   ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-09-17 10:24     ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-09-21 12:04       ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-09-21 12:33         ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-09-17  9:16 ` [PATCH for-6.0 0/5] IORING_OP_SEND_ZC improvements Pavel Begunkov
2022-09-17 10:44   ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-09-21 11:39     ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2022-09-21 12:18       ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-09-21 12:58         ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-09-18 22:49 ` (subset) " Jens Axboe

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