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From: Xi Ruoyao <[email protected]>
To: Linus Torvalds <[email protected]>,
	Christian Brauner <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected],
	"Andreas K. Huettel" <[email protected]>,
	 Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]>,
	Huacai Chen <[email protected]>,
	Mateusz Guzik <[email protected]>,
	Alexander Viro <[email protected]>, Jan Kara <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected],
	 [email protected], Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
	 [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] vfs: support statx(..., NULL, AT_EMPTY_PATH, ...)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2024 00:54:45 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wi0ejJ=PCZfCmMKvsFmzvVzAYYt1K9vtwke4=arfHiAdg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2024-07-03 at 09:31 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 at 01:46, Christian Brauner <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > 
> > We've now added AT_EMPTY_PATH support with NULL names because we
> > want to
> > allow that generically. But I clearly remember that this was
> > requested
> > to make statx() work with these sandboxes. So the kernel has done
> > its
> > part. Now it's for the sandbox to allow statx() with NULL paths and
> > AT_EMPTY_PATH but certainly not for the kernel to start reenabling
> > old
> > system calls.
> 
> Those old system calls are still used.
> 
> Just enable them.
> 
> statx isn't the promised land. Existing applications matter. And there
> is absolutely nothing wrong with plain old 'stat' (well, we call it
> "newstat" in the kernel for historical reasons) on 64-bit
> architectures.
> 
> Honestly, 'statx' is disgusting. I don't understand why anybody pushes
> that thing that nobody actually uses or cares about.

Hmm why it was added in the first place then?  Why not just NAK it?  If
someone tries to add a "seccomp sandbox" into my project I'll
immediately NAK it anyway :).

And should we add stat_time64, fstat_time64, and fstatat_time64 to stop
using statx on 32-bit platforms too as it's disgusting?

Also some bad news: Glibc has this:

#if (__WORDSIZE == 32 \
     && (!defined __SYSCALL_WORDSIZE || __SYSCALL_WORDSIZE == 32)) \
    || defined STAT_HAS_TIME32 \
    || (!defined __NR_newfstatat && !defined __NR_fstatat64)
# define FSTATAT_USE_STATX 1
#else
# define FSTATAT_USE_STATX 0
#endif

So if a LoongArch Glibc is built with Linux kernel headers >= 6.11,
it'll use fstatat **even configured --with-kernel=5.19** and fail to run
on Linux kernel <= 6.10.  This will immediately blow up building Linux
From Scratch on a host distro with an "old" kernel.

<sarcasm>Alright, some Google project matters but Glibc does not matter
because it uses a disgusting syscall in the first place.</sarcasm>

We have to add some __ASSUME_blah_blah here now.

To make things worse Glibc 2.40 is being frozen today :(.  Copying to
libc-alpha and the RM.

-- 
Xi Ruoyao <[email protected]>
School of Aerospace Science and Technology, Xidian University

  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-03 16:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-25 11:00 [PATCH 0/2] statx NULL path support Mateusz Guzik
2024-06-25 11:00 ` [PATCH 1/2] vfs: add CLASS fd_raw Mateusz Guzik
2024-06-25 12:22   ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-06-25 13:13     ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-06-25 11:00 ` [PATCH 2/2] vfs: support statx(..., NULL, AT_EMPTY_PATH, ...) Mateusz Guzik
2024-06-25 13:24   ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-06-25 13:28     ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-06-25 13:28     ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-06-25 14:09   ` Huacai Chen
2024-06-25 14:58     ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-06-30  1:40       ` Huacai Chen
2024-06-30  2:39         ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-06-30 13:18           ` Huacai Chen
2024-07-01 11:59           ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-02 15:36             ` Huacai Chen
2024-07-02 17:06               ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-03  4:30                 ` Huacai Chen
2024-07-03  8:45                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-07-03  9:35                   ` Huacai Chen
2024-07-03 10:07                     ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-07-03 16:31                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-03 16:54                     ` Xi Ruoyao [this message]
2024-07-03 17:09                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-03 17:30                         ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-07-03 17:40                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-03 17:54                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-03 18:14                               ` Christian Brauner
2024-07-03 18:39                                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-07-03 19:00                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-03 19:18                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-03 18:48                               ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-07-03 19:05                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-03 19:33                                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-07-03 19:52                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-03 18:44                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-03 19:55                               ` Christian Brauner
2024-07-03 17:11                       ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-07-04  2:38                       ` Huacai Chen
2024-07-04  3:23                         ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-07-04  4:14                           ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-07-04  5:55                       ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-04  6:02                         ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-07-01  4:38 ` [PATCH 0/2] statx NULL path support Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-01  6:46   ` Xi Ruoyao

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