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From: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
To: Kanchan Joshi <[email protected]>, Christoph Hellwig <[email protected]>
Cc: "Kanchan Joshi" <[email protected]>,
	"Keith Busch" <[email protected]>,
	"Pavel Begunkov" <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], "Pankaj Raghav" <[email protected]>,
	"Javier González" <[email protected]>,
	"Luis Chamberlain" <[email protected]>,
	"Adam Manzanares" <[email protected]>,
	"Anuj Gupta" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/17] nvme: enable non-inline passthru commands
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 19:22:33 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+1E3rLGwHFbdbSTJBfWrw6RLErwcT2zPxGmmWbcLUj2y=16Qg@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/22/22 11:10 AM, Kanchan Joshi wrote:
>> We need to decouple the
>> uring cmd properly.  And properly in this case means not to add a
>> result pointer, but to drop the result from the _input_ structure
>> entirely, and instead optionally support a larger CQ entry that contains
>> it, just like the first patch does for the SQ.
> 
> Creating a large CQE was my thought too. Gave that another stab.
> Dealing with two types of CQE felt nasty to fit in liburing's api-set
> (which is cqe-heavy).
> 
> Jens: Do you already have thoughts (go/no-go) for this route?

Yes, I think we should just add support for 32-byte CQEs as well. Only
pondering I've done here is if it makes sense to manage them separately,
or if you should just get both big sqe and cqe support in one setting.
For passthrough, you'd want both. But eg for zoned writes, you can make
do with a normal sized sqes and only do larger cqes.

I did actually benchmark big sqes in peak testing, and found them to
perform about the same, no noticeable difference. Which does make sense,
as normal IO with big sqe would only touch the normal sized sqe and
leave the other one unwritten and unread. Since they are cacheline
sized, there's no extra load there.

For big cqes, that's a bit different and I'd expect a bit of a
performance hit for that. We can currently fit 4 of them into a
cacheline, with the change it'd be 2. The same number of ops/sec would
hence touch twice as many cachelines for completions.

But I still think it's way better than having to copy back part of the
completion info out-of-band vs just doing it inline, and it's more
efficient too for that case for sure.

> From all that we discussed, maybe the path forward could be this:
> - inline-cmd/big-sqe is useful if paired with big-cqe. Drop big-sqe
> for now if we cannot go the big-cqe route.

We should go big cqe for sure, it'll help clean up a bunch of things
too.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-04-01  1:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2022-03-08 15:20 ` [PATCH 00/17] io_uring passthru over nvme Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152653epcas5p10c31f58cf6bff125cc0baa176b4d4fac@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:20     ` [PATCH 01/17] io_uring: add support for 128-byte SQEs Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152655epcas5p4ae47d715e1c15069e97152dcd283fd40@epcas5p4.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:20     ` [PATCH 02/17] fs: add file_operations->async_cmd() Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152658epcas5p3929bd1fcf75edc505fec71901158d1b5@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:20     ` [PATCH 03/17] io_uring: add infra and support for IORING_OP_URING_CMD Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-11  1:51       ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-11  2:43         ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-11 17:11           ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-11 18:47             ` Paul Moore
2022-03-11 20:57               ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-11 21:03                 ` Paul Moore
2022-03-14 16:25             ` Casey Schaufler
2022-03-14 16:32               ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-14 18:05                 ` Casey Schaufler
2022-03-14 19:40                   ` Luis Chamberlain
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152700epcas5p4130d20119a3a250a2515217d6552f668@epcas5p4.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:20     ` [PATCH 04/17] nvme: modify nvme_alloc_request to take an additional parameter Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-11  6:38       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152702epcas5p1eb1880e024ac8b9531c85a82f31a4e78@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:20     ` [PATCH 05/17] nvme: wire-up support for async-passthru on char-device Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-10  0:02       ` Clay Mayers
2022-03-10  8:32         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-11  7:01       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-14 16:23         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-15  8:54           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-16  7:27             ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-24  6:22               ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-24 17:45                 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-11 17:56       ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-11 18:53         ` Paul Moore
2022-03-11 21:02           ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-13 21:53       ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-14 17:54         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-15  9:02           ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-16  9:21             ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-16 10:56               ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-16 11:51                 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-16 13:52                   ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-16 14:35                     ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-16 14:50                       ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-24  6:20                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-24 10:42                           ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-22 15:18       ` Clay Mayers
2022-03-22 16:57         ` Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152704epcas5p16610e1f50672b25fa1df5f7c5c261bb5@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:20     ` [PATCH 06/17] io_uring: prep for fixed-buffer enabled uring-cmd Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152707epcas5p430127761a7fd4bf90c2501eabe9ee96e@epcas5p4.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:20     ` [PATCH 07/17] io_uring: add support for uring_cmd with fixed-buffer Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152709epcas5p1f9d274a0214dc462c22c278a72d8697c@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:20     ` [PATCH 08/17] nvme: enable passthrough " Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-10  8:32       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-11  6:43       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-14 13:06         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-15  8:55           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-14 12:18       ` Ming Lei
2022-03-14 13:09         ` Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152711epcas5p31de5d63f5de91fae94e61e5c857c0f13@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:20     ` [PATCH 09/17] io_uring: plug for async bypass Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-10  8:33       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-14 14:33         ` Ming Lei
2022-03-15  8:56           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-11 17:15       ` Luis Chamberlain
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152714epcas5p4c5a0d16512fd7054c9a713ee28ede492@epcas5p4.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:20     ` [PATCH 10/17] block: wire-up support for plugging Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-10  8:34       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-10 12:40         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-14 14:40           ` Ming Lei
2022-03-21  7:02             ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-23  1:27               ` Ming Lei
2022-03-23  1:41                 ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-23  1:58                   ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-23  2:10                     ` Ming Lei
2022-03-23  2:17                       ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152716epcas5p3d38d2372c184259f1a10c969f7e4396f@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:20     ` [PATCH 11/17] block: factor out helper for bio allocation from cache Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-10  8:35       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-10 12:25         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-24  6:30           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-24 17:45             ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-25  5:38               ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152718epcas5p3afd2c8a628f4e9733572cbb39270989d@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:21     ` [PATCH 12/17] nvme: enable bio-cache for fixed-buffer passthru Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-11  6:48       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-14 18:18         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-15  8:57           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152720epcas5p19653942458e160714444942ddb8b8579@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:21     ` [PATCH 13/17] nvme: allow user passthrough commands to poll Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-08 17:08       ` Keith Busch
2022-03-09  7:03         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-11  6:49           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152723epcas5p34460b4af720e515317f88dbb78295f06@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:21     ` [PATCH 14/17] io_uring: add polling support for uring-cmd Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-11  6:50       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-14 10:16         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-15  8:57           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-16  5:09             ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-24  6:30               ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152725epcas5p36d1ce3269a47c1c22cc0d66bdc2b9eb3@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:21     ` [PATCH 15/17] nvme: wire-up polling for uring-passthru Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152727epcas5p20e605718dd99e97c94f9232d40d04d95@epcas5p2.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:21     ` [PATCH 16/17] io_uring: add support for non-inline uring-cmd Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308152729epcas5p17e82d59c68076eb46b5ef658619d65e3@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 15:21     ` [PATCH 17/17] nvme: enable non-inline passthru commands Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-10  8:36       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-10 11:50         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-10 14:19           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-10 18:43             ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-11  6:27               ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-22 17:10                 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-24  6:32                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-25 13:39                     ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-28  4:44                       ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-30 12:59                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-30 13:02                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-30 13:14                         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-04-01  1:25                           ` Jens Axboe
2022-04-01  2:33                             ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-04-01  2:44                               ` Jens Axboe
2022-04-01  3:05                                 ` Jens Axboe
2022-04-01  6:32                                 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-04-19 17:31                                 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-04-19 18:19                                   ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                                     ` <CGME20220420152003epcas5p3991e6941773690bcb425fd9d817105c3@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-04-20 15:14                                       ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-04-20 15:28                                         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-04-01  1:23                         ` Jens Axboe
2022-04-01  1:22                   ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2022-04-01  6:29                     ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-24 21:09       ` Clay Mayers
2022-03-24 23:36         ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-10  8:29   ` [PATCH 00/17] io_uring passthru over nvme Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-10 10:05     ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-11 16:43       ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-11 23:35         ` Adam Manzanares
2022-03-12  2:27           ` Adam Manzanares
2022-03-13  5:07             ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-14 20:30               ` Adam Manzanares
2022-03-13  5:10         ` Kanchan Joshi

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