From: Kanchan Joshi <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Cc: Damien Le Moal <[email protected]>,
Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>,
Kanchan Joshi <[email protected]>,
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"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
Matthew Wilcox <[email protected]>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 6/6] io_uring: add support for zone-append
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 22:49:28 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+1E3r+MSEW=-SL8L+pquq+cFAu+nQOULQ+HZoQsCvdjKMkrNw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 8:48 PM [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 12:31:42PM +0530, Kanchan Joshi wrote:
> > But there are use-cases which benefit from supporting zone-append on
> > raw block-dev path.
> > Certain user-space log-structured/cow FS/DB will use the device that
> > way. Aerospike is one example.
> > Pass-through is synchronous, and we lose the ability to use io-uring.
>
> So use zonefs, which is designed exactly for that use case.
Not specific to zone-append, but in general it may not be good to lock
new features/interfaces to ZoneFS alone, given that direct-block
interface has its own merits.
Mapping one file to a one zone is good for some use-cases, but
limiting for others.
Some user-space FS/DBs would be more efficient (less meta, indirection)
with the freedom to decide file-to-zone mapping/placement.
- Rocksdb and those LSM style DBs would map SSTable to zone, but
SSTable file may be two small (initially) and may become too large
(after compaction) for a zone.
- The internal parallelism of a single zone is a design-choice, and
depends on the drive. Writing multiple zones parallely (striped/raid
way) can give better performance than writing on one. In that case one
would want to file that seamlessly combines multiple-zones in a
striped fashion.
Also it seems difficult (compared to block dev) to fit simple-copy TP
in ZoneFS. The new
command needs: one NVMe drive, list of source LBAs and one destination
LBA. In ZoneFS, we would deal with N+1 file-descriptors (N source zone
file, and one destination zone file) for that. While with block
interface, we do not need more than one file-descriptor representing
the entire device. With more zone-files, we face open/close overhead too.
--
Joshi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-09-24 17:20 UTC|newest]
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2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] zone-append support in io-uring and aio Kanchan Joshi
[not found] ` <CGME20200724155258epcas5p1a75b926950a18cd1e6c8e7a047e6c589@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] fs: introduce FMODE_ZONE_APPEND and IOCB_ZONE_APPEND Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-24 16:34 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-26 15:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-07-28 1:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-28 7:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <CGME20200724155324epcas5p18e1d3b4402d1e4a8eca87d0b56a3fa9b@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] fs: change ki_complete interface to support 64bit ret2 Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-26 15:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <CGME20200724155329epcas5p345ba6bad0b8fe18056bb4bcd26c10019@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] uio: return status with iov truncation Kanchan Joshi
[not found] ` <CGME20200724155341epcas5p15bfc55927f2abb60f19784270fe8e377@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] block: add zone append handling for direct I/O path Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-26 15:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <CGME20200724155346epcas5p2cfb383fe9904a45280c6145f4c13e1b4@epcas5p2.samsung.com>
2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] block: enable zone-append for iov_iter of bvec type Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-26 15:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <CGME20200724155350epcas5p3b8f1d59eda7f8fbb38c828f692d42fd6@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] io_uring: add support for zone-append Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-24 16:29 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-27 19:16 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-27 20:34 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-30 16:08 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-30 16:13 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-30 16:26 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-30 17:16 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-30 17:38 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-30 17:51 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-30 17:54 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-30 18:25 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-31 6:42 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-07-31 6:45 ` hch
2020-07-31 6:59 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-07-31 7:58 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-31 8:14 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-07-31 9:14 ` hch
2020-07-31 9:34 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-07-31 9:41 ` hch
2020-07-31 10:16 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-07-31 12:51 ` hch
2020-07-31 13:08 ` hch
2020-07-31 15:07 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-02 20:47 ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-08-05 7:35 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-08-14 8:14 ` hch
2020-08-14 8:27 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-08-14 12:04 ` hch
2020-08-14 12:20 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-09-07 7:01 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-09-08 15:18 ` hch
2020-09-24 17:19 ` Kanchan Joshi [this message]
2020-09-25 2:52 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-09-28 18:58 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-09-29 1:24 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-09-29 18:49 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-02 20:43 ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-07-31 9:38 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-02 20:51 ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-07-31 7:08 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-30 15:57 ` Pavel Begunkov
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