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From: Jann Horn <[email protected]>
To: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <[email protected]>,
	io-uring <[email protected]>,
	stable <[email protected]>, Josef <[email protected]>,
	Oleg Nesterov <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] io_uring: use TWA_SIGNAL for task_work if the task isn't running
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 22:35:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG48ez0+=+Q0tjdFxjbbZbZJNkimYL9Bd5odr0T9oWwty6qgoQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 10:25 PM Jens Axboe <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 8/10/20 2:13 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> >> Would it be clearer to write it like so perhaps?
> >>
> >>      /*
> >>       * Optimization; when the task is RUNNING we can do with a
> >>       * cheaper TWA_RESUME notification because,... <reason goes
> >>       * here>. Otherwise do the more expensive, but always correct
> >>       * TWA_SIGNAL.
> >>       */
> >>      if (READ_ONCE(tsk->state) == TASK_RUNNING) {
> >>              __task_work_notify(tsk, TWA_RESUME);
> >>              if (READ_ONCE(tsk->state) == TASK_RUNNING)
> >>                      return;
> >>      }
> >>      __task_work_notify(tsk, TWA_SIGNAL);
> >>      wake_up_process(tsk);
> >
> > Yeah that is easier to read, wasn't a huge fan of the loop since it's
> > only a single retry kind of condition. I'll adopt this suggestion,
> > thanks!
>
> Re-write it a bit on top of that, just turning it into two separate
> READ_ONCE, and added appropriate comments. For the SQPOLL case, the
> wake_up_process() is enough, so we can clean up that if/else.
>
> https://git.kernel.dk/cgit/linux-block/commit/?h=io_uring-5.9&id=49bc5c16483945982cf81b0109d7da7cd9ee55ed

I think I'm starting to understand the overall picture here, and I
think if my understanding is correct, your solution isn't going to
work properly.

My understanding of the scenario you're trying to address is:

 - task A starts up io_uring
 - task A tells io_uring to bump the counter of an eventfd E when work
has been completed
 - task A submits some work ("read a byte from file descriptor X", or
something like that)
 - io_uring internally starts an asynchronous I/O operation, with a callback C
 - task A calls read(E, &counter, sizeof(counter)) to wait for events
to be processed
 - the async I/O operation finishes, C is invoked, and C schedules
task_work for task A

And here you run into a deadlock, because the task_work will only run
when task A returns from the syscall, but the syscall will only return
once the task_work is executing and has finished the I/O operation.


If that is the scenario you're trying to solve here (where you're
trying to force a task that's in the middle of some syscall that's
completely unrelated to io_uring to return back to syscall context), I
don't think this will work: It might well be that the task has e.g.
just started entering the read() syscall, and is *about to* block, but
is currently still running.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-08-10 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-08 18:34 [PATCHSET 0/2] io_uring: use TWA_SIGNAL more carefully Jens Axboe
2020-08-08 18:34 ` [PATCH 1/2] kernel: split task_work_add() into two separate helpers Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 11:37   ` peterz
2020-08-10 15:01     ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 15:28       ` peterz
2020-08-10 17:51       ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 19:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-08 18:34 ` [PATCH 2/2] io_uring: use TWA_SIGNAL for task_work if the task isn't running Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 11:42   ` peterz
2020-08-10 15:02     ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 19:21       ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 20:12         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-10 20:13           ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 20:25             ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 20:32               ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-10 20:35                 ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 20:35               ` Jann Horn [this message]
2020-08-10 21:06                 ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 21:10                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-10 21:12                     ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 21:26                       ` Jann Horn
2020-08-10 21:28                         ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 22:01                           ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 22:41                             ` Jann Horn
2020-08-11  1:25                               ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-11  6:45                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-08-11  6:56                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-11  7:14                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-08-11  7:26                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-08-11  7:49                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-11  7:45                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-11  8:10                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-08-11 13:06                                         ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-11 14:05                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-08-11 14:12                                             ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 21:27                       ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-10 20:16           ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-13 16:25   ` Sasha Levin
2020-08-19 23:57   ` Sasha Levin
2020-08-19 23:59     ` Jens Axboe
2020-08-20  0:02       ` Jens Axboe

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