From: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, brauner@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz,
paul@paul-moore.com, axboe@kernel.dk, audit@vger.kernel.org,
io-uring@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 10/13] get rid of audit_reusename()
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2025 23:39:53 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGudoHHMgY0NnN0FX_OQnV578Wu1e03VjO8+3tUA8XDxwy_Smg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGudoHHA_dDXMZFh1=U=AjPsqK9PRUGq3fQ_GjOdebUBK-sn3g@mail.gmail.com>
On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 11:33 PM Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 11:29 PM Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 at 14:18, Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > You would need 256 bytes to cover almost all of this.
> >
> > Why would you care to cover all of that?
> >
> > Your very numbers show that 128 bytes covers 97+% of all cases (and
> > 160 bytes is at 99.8%)
> >
> > The other cases need to be *correct*, of course, but not necessarily
> > optimized for.
> >
> > If we can do 97% of all filenames with a simple on-stack allocation,
> > that would be a huge win.
> >
> > (In fact, 64 bytes covers 90% of the cases according to your numbers).
> >
>
> The programs which pass in these "too long" names just keep doing it,
> meaning with a stack-based scheme which forces an extra SMAP trip
> means they are permanently shafted. It's not that only a small % of
> their lookups is penalized.
>
> However, now that I wrote, I figured one could create a trivial
> heuristic: if a given process had too many long names in a row, switch
> to go directly to kmem going forward? Reset the flag on exec.
Geez, that was rather poorly stated. Let me try again:
1. The programs which pass long names just keep doing for majority of
their lookups, meaning the extra overhead from failing to fit on the
stack will be there for most of their syscalls.
2. I noted a heuristic could be added to detect these wankers and go
straight to kmem in their case. One trivial idea is to bump a counter
task_struct for every long name and dec for every short name, keep it
bounded. If it goes past a threshold for long names, skip stack
allocs. Then indeed a smaller on-stack buffer would be a great win
overall.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-09 22:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-09 6:37 [RFC][PATCH 00/13] io_uring, struct filename and audit Al Viro
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/13] do_faccessat(): import pathname only once Al Viro
2025-11-13 10:11 ` Jan Kara
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/13] do_fchmodat(): " Al Viro
2025-11-13 10:12 ` Jan Kara
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/13] do_fchownat(): " Al Viro
2025-11-13 10:13 ` Jan Kara
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/13] do_utimes_path(): " Al Viro
2025-11-13 10:15 ` Jan Kara
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/13] chdir(2): " Al Viro
2025-11-13 10:16 ` Jan Kara
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/13] chroot(2): " Al Viro
2025-11-13 10:18 ` Jan Kara
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/13] user_statfs(): " Al Viro
2025-11-13 10:18 ` Jan Kara
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/13] do_sys_truncate(): " Al Viro
2025-11-13 10:18 ` Jan Kara
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/13] do_readlinkat(): " Al Viro
2025-11-13 10:20 ` Jan Kara
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/13] get rid of audit_reusename() Al Viro
2025-11-09 19:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-09 19:55 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-11-09 20:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-09 22:18 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-11-09 22:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-09 22:33 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-11-09 22:39 ` Mateusz Guzik [this message]
2025-11-09 22:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-09 22:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-09 23:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-09 22:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-10 5:17 ` Al Viro
2025-11-10 16:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-10 19:58 ` Al Viro
2025-11-10 20:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-11 1:16 ` Al Viro
2025-11-12 9:26 ` Christian Brauner
2025-11-10 6:05 ` Al Viro
2025-11-10 6:36 ` Al Viro
2025-11-10 16:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-10 23:13 ` Paul Moore
2025-11-11 0:23 ` Paul Moore
2025-11-13 10:29 ` Jan Kara
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/13] allow incomplete imports of filenames Al Viro
2025-11-11 0:45 ` Paul Moore
2025-11-11 14:41 ` Jens Axboe
2025-11-19 1:12 ` Al Viro
2025-11-19 1:14 ` Al Viro
2025-11-19 5:41 ` Al Viro
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/13] fs: touch up predicts in putname() Al Viro
2025-11-09 6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/13] struct filename ->refcnt doesn't need to be atomic Al Viro
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