From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-ed1-f53.google.com (mail-ed1-f53.google.com [209.85.208.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEE3C285CB9 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2025 20:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=209.85.208.53 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1757105665; cv=none; b=SdzEtzhUiH/wtUlT9N/hh53FezVvmolZeZS0kZ8S4n3gsgy194bWWExAAVMyH5gt1OG38xBX13Gd20ci2PeksD77DdwNoA5B0D6PSK40Z3wNUQHRYgghl+Au8ktEtNwRg4pwFQG9HvPmMNeHTJ2aac7L11qHargLQykWMUg5Z/Y= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1757105665; c=relaxed/simple; bh=MAf0SZO83um8RJakkKNX5oj2zVOPSjxCDK8t47hxPxs=; h=MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject: To:Cc:Content-Type; b=aHIjgfuNvQaCbm2CisiYNzqhDZyUdDyAu8LbXvgrNuzURwgACP2D2iI+jy6kRmW8y5EyZ+K534ZY0c6TCMnCvZ8/WpnG+MXGFYpYaSiHBPx8kjzRFBsv08Xgh47ND3xde4LbmTjvSSe4lKxoS9J4TuqGm93w+YrOy4sxSC9KJlg= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux-foundation.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=linuxfoundation.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linux-foundation.org header.i=@linux-foundation.org header.b=CSyvRoeK; arc=none smtp.client-ip=209.85.208.53 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux-foundation.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=linuxfoundation.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linux-foundation.org header.i=@linux-foundation.org header.b="CSyvRoeK" Received: by mail-ed1-f53.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-62105d21293so2653348a12.1 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2025 13:54:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux-foundation.org; s=google; t=1757105661; x=1757710461; darn=vger.kernel.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=xeI5uxqqoARD89BnQ0NTAo1OVhNWzuVOTNFshiJtoyM=; b=CSyvRoeKcGOi7+3KpUQfH/ictYxQcL+PyLqV/Acol4OFBBumRK7PxpExKvzcA/1aYz +mB29za1VucwdBrrYZ/6kpBDV1XGVXuSthc+YBt+qZIqC+1rU2lKxVMimwtjRvW1p6rc /jolwbQvcNxyg7D2UoYEJpcb233U/DIlDbvNM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1757105661; x=1757710461; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=xeI5uxqqoARD89BnQ0NTAo1OVhNWzuVOTNFshiJtoyM=; b=eUdpQ3Sxl2I/2HGfinV0kWPyPf7NpqVloZJCF5wP5Qh2ZbZrzmML3i/KOYWQ2ilSMG UOSbZEw9Wwj79cLR9eCM+lv6vX3GbaakPd9NZ/09eT/7bjJClGLLtaPN8qv+yus6Q7KO ijgdmXYcV7UxLY8zMROYgkgM5ZaZa5odi5/Ev0Nj1l6XPrbcnJub2eMuh6tLZysHa4zW 3zfrIhqmylADZXwsUHtdzFPdZF2aj3Ss/1/XzXmtxfZW0aDHn8Es05XpN1RoA3nTQ0e8 7Zs277p/eypzMDV71n7AZ4OXncEbMIpSaaN3PMuLhkmGcz6UTVkLPxj36aiJ5nBFlSAY T1UQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWszriEFIMC432qsz4EpyXlXM6cMifEyh2Pcllo+Eb9qIwFL6B4V1hEOC5ecMQnpBnayxuabd4t5Q==@vger.kernel.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzCqt3sKO3Hgee454QCPSr6AelFM6hOwgiDj+G5+1wXoMpcJ386 KhlFcrDn2BwaiuwAGiDwE0XXdL/Bxh+/Wvpbl2xMV2IVTLu6gmwMD/ZSVM6mA0OxZ/35CkFLtBO pKrMSSF4= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncusDFk4WNixmUawN8KhwOYyL2Tb/DhEUv9TEj4BMw/qtfv2N9zw7LuxIRuPUSW Q06RI/n57GT3E0uj6Xvhc8bNxyAmZphffwv7XtVujqGdauaGk1mxGaEeArrTpDoxS2g1zDBfp91 m/FC0KxpYcpFtJ3wb1p97o0wOeZmKpEXASZw9CYZQi1yD2/NZd063NuQ0BbD/CXXkXvBvXE734d YIPd0RjgunlN6I2SMtybecfetVdgH8s78SY525zgHRRnsr8trdqIIkGGOktZR9g9yyMCrDjfMTO YyUuepTf16YAXkdqf2G2yVfM9/WZEfHUqrxKggA59oE7XbC0nknpm6T/Py9KpBFdd0kTbT8a+o8 Xfz2AaiyZrG4SKxbslisMga5ac/82Gp/RmqquwtjQoDDD7vAo0/aZ7KeGjQC66+30+tSZqlx1dr k2Rr0RcVk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE7yLQGj/tILYCRItBcVpvBvDeDoiyAJdHq+ttSZVQBd2GlmSR7f1FdjCxbIaSMiZ62dQz1nA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:26cc:b0:620:1030:1385 with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-6237845b164mr301835a12.32.1757105660823; Fri, 05 Sep 2025 13:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ej1-f44.google.com (mail-ej1-f44.google.com. [209.85.218.44]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-61cfc5575dcsm17180395a12.49.2025.09.05.13.54.20 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Sep 2025 13:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-f44.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-b0472bd218bso454850866b.1 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2025 13:54:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWuiuOzZ8birnO6Oi+m4g3F12VX8+l3KtUXSr7by7kM8SqqEXmeGVGVuSEpuxyh1x6+ZGYk2EMOfQ==@vger.kernel.org X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:1c10:b0:b04:1a80:35b9 with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-b04b13cd575mr12690666b.12.1757105659694; Fri, 05 Sep 2025 13:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: io-uring@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9ef87524-d15c-4b2c-9f86-00417dad9c48@kernel.dk> <72fb5776-0c50-42b8-943d-940960714811@kernel.dk> In-Reply-To: <72fb5776-0c50-42b8-943d-940960714811@kernel.dk> From: Linus Torvalds Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 13:54:02 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-Gm-Features: Ac12FXzEOlqgAVNuWTXpkSiFOW32U1HDNta-OqsyqUoOurQaAKrWT8aonma6-lc Message-ID: Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] io_uring fix for 6.17-rc5 To: Jens Axboe Cc: Caleb Sander Mateos , io-uring , Konstantin Ryabitsev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, 5 Sept 2025 at 12:30, Jens Axboe wrote: > > Like I said, I think there more fruitful ways to get the point across > and this picked up and well known, because I don't believe it is right > now. So I've actually been complaining about the link tags for years: [1] [2] [3] [4]. In fact, that [4] from 2022 is about how people are then trying to distinguish the *useful* links (to bug reports) from the useless ones, by giving them a different name ("Buglink:"). Where I was telling people to instead fix this problem by just not adding the useless links in the first place! Anyway, I'm a bit frustrated, exactly because this _has_ been going on for years. It's not a new peeve. And I don't think we have a good central place for that kind of "don't do this". Yes, there's the maintainer summit, but that's a pretty limited set of people. I guess I could mention it in my release notes, but I don't know who actually reads those either.. So I end up just complaining when I see it. And yeah, I will take some of the blame for people doing the useless Link. Because going even further back, people were arguing for random "bug ID" numbers. Go search lkml, and you'll find discussions about having UUID's in the commits, and I said that no, we're not doing that, and that a "Link:" tag to something valid is a good alternative, and I even mentioned a link to the submission. So that could be seen as some kind of encouragement - but it was more of a "no, we're *NOT* doing random meaningless UUIDs". I did go back and look in the git archives. The oldest link we have in the kernel git tree is from 2011. Guess what? That email has had over fourteen years to get more information associated with it on the mailing list, but no. That link has _zero_ new information that would be relevant outside the commit that references it (f994d99cf140: "x86-32, fpu: Fix FPU exception handling on non-SSE systems"). Linus Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wgfX9nBGE0Ap9GjhOy7Mn=RSy=rx0MvqfYFFDx31KJXqQ@mail.gmail.com/ [1] Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wiUS4r788i5XjTtSwvfvKRm9uH2H5=eLHbZVu3Wo-YHCA@mail.gmail.com/ [2] Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=whRBX0aQq1J5S5nHXE2GvXnQ5z+cqu=iTY9xU34kvYMzw@mail.gmail.com/ [3] Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wgzRUT1fBpuz3xcN+YdsX0SxqOzHWRtj0ReHpUBb5TKbA@mail.gmail.com/ [4] Link: [ .. too lazy to look up more .. ]