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From: Linus Torvalds <[email protected]>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <[email protected]>
Cc: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>, io-uring <[email protected]>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <[email protected]>,
	Oleg Nesterov <[email protected]>,
	Stefan Metzmacher <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] signal: don't allow sending any signals to PF_IO_WORKER threads
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 10:56:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wjLMy+J20ZSBec4iarw2NeSu5sWXm6wdMH59n-e0Qe06g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 9:19 AM Eric W. Biederman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> The creds should be reasonably in-sync with the rest of the threads.

It's not about credentials (despite the -EPERM).

It's about the fact that kernel threads cannot handle signals, and
then get caught in endless loops of "if (sigpending()) return
-EAGAIN".

For a normal user thread, that "return -EAGAIN" (or whatever) will end
up returning an error to user space - and before it does that, it will
go through the "oh, returning to user space, so handle signal" path.
Which will clear sigpending etc.

A thread that never returns to user space fundamentally cannot handle
this. The sigpending() stays on forever, the signal never gets
handled, the thread can't do anything.

So delivering a signal to a kernel thread fundamentally cannot work
(although we do have some threads that explicitly see "oh, if I was
killed, I will exit" - think things like in-kernel nfsd etc).

          Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-20 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-20 15:38 [PATCHSET 0/2] PF_IO_WORKER signal tweaks Jens Axboe
2021-03-20 15:38 ` [PATCH 1/2] signal: don't allow sending any signals to PF_IO_WORKER threads Jens Axboe
2021-03-20 16:18   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-20 17:56     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2021-03-20 21:38       ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-20 22:42         ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-21 14:54           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-21 15:40             ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-20 15:38 ` [PATCH 2/2] signal: don't allow STOP on " Jens Axboe
2021-03-20 16:21   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-22 16:18     ` Oleg Nesterov
2021-03-22 16:15   ` Oleg Nesterov
2021-03-20 16:26 ` [PATCHSET 0/2] PF_IO_WORKER signal tweaks Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-20 17:51   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-03-20 19:18     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-03-20 22:08       ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-20 22:53         ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-21 15:18           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-03-21 15:42             ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-20 22:56       ` Jens Axboe
2021-03-20 17:05 ` kernel test robot
2021-03-20 17:05 ` kernel test robot
2021-03-20 19:10 ` kernel test robot
2021-03-22 16:05 ` Oleg Nesterov

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