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From: Miklos Szeredi <[email protected]>
To: Josh Triplett <[email protected]>
Cc: Michael Kerrisk <[email protected]>,
	[email protected],
	"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
	lkml <[email protected]>,
	Alexander Viro <[email protected]>,
	Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]>, Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
	Aleksa Sarai <[email protected]>,
	linux-man <[email protected]>,
	Linux API <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/3] fs: openat2: Extend open_how to allow userspace-selected fds
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:46:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJfpegv-zRp3a3JcmCO4JpXB=f32=TK=+jP1o-peqqxffT5ERw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegvcW9Sic8ZXgWfFQ3d8JTr53XABfP8rZzsVhCDBKCgMBw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM Miklos Szeredi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:57 AM Miklos Szeredi <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 AM Miklos Szeredi <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > I would prefer to not introduce that limitation in the first place, and
> > > > instead open normal file descriptors.
> > > >
> > > > > The point of O_SPECIFIC_FD is to be able to perform short
> > > > > sequences of open/dosomething/close without having to block and having
> > > > > to issue separate syscalls.
> > > >
> > > > "close" is not a required component. It's entirely possible to use
> > > > io_uring to open a file descriptor, do various things with it, and then
> > > > leave it open for subsequent usage via either other io_uring chains or
> > > > standalone syscalls.
> > >
> > > If this use case arraises, we could add an op to dup/move a private
> > > descriptor to a public one.  io_uring can return values, right?
> > >
> > > Still not convinced...
> >
> > Oh, and we haven't even touched on the biggest advantage of a private
> > fd table: not having to dirty a cacheline on fdget/fdput due to the
> > possibility of concurrent close() in a MT application.
> >
> > I believe this is a sticking point in some big enterprise apps and it
> > may even be a driving force for io_uring.
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/787473/
>
> And an interesting (very old) article referenced from above, that
> gives yet a new angle on fd allocation issues:
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/236843/
>
> A private fd space would be perfect for libraries such as glibc.

Ah, io_uring already implements a fixed private fd table via
io_uring_register(IORING_REGISTER_FILES,...), we just need a way to
wire up open, socket, accept, etc. to fill a slot in that table
instead of, or in addition to allocating a slot in the fd_table.

Thanks,
Miklos

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-23  9:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-22  5:19 [PATCH v5 0/3] Support userspace-selected fds Josh Triplett
2020-04-22  5:19 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] fs: Support setting a minimum fd for "lowest available fd" allocation Josh Triplett
2020-04-22  6:06   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-04-23  1:12   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2020-04-23  4:51     ` Josh Triplett
2020-04-23  9:24   ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-04-22  5:20 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] fs: openat2: Extend open_how to allow userspace-selected fds Josh Triplett
2020-04-22  6:06   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-04-22  7:55     ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-23  0:48       ` Josh Triplett
2020-04-23  4:24         ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-23  4:42           ` Josh Triplett
2020-04-23  6:04             ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-23  7:33               ` Josh Triplett
2020-04-23  7:45                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-23  7:57                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-23  9:20                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-23  9:46                       ` Miklos Szeredi [this message]
2020-04-23  8:06                   ` Josh Triplett
2020-04-22  5:20 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] fs: pipe2: Support O_SPECIFIC_FD Josh Triplett
2020-04-22  6:06   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-04-22 15:44   ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-23  0:44     ` Josh Triplett
2020-04-22  6:05 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] Support userspace-selected fds Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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