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From: Hans Holmberg <[email protected]>
To: Keith Busch <[email protected]>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <[email protected]>, Keith Busch <[email protected]>,
	[email protected],  [email protected],
	[email protected],  [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	 [email protected], [email protected],
	Hannes Reinecke <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv10 9/9] scsi: set permanent stream count in block limits
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 09:19:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANr-nt35zoSijRXYr+ommmWGfq0+Ye0tf3SfHfwi0cfpvwB0pg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 11:33 PM Keith Busch <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 05:57:08PM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 10:42:59AM -0600, Keith Busch wrote:
> > > With FDP (with some minor rocksdb changes):
> > >
> > > WAF:        1.67
> > > IOPS:       1547
> > > READ LAT:   1978us
> > > UPDATE LAT: 2267us
> >
> > Compared to the Numbers Hans presented at Plumbers for the Zoned XFS code,
> > which should work just fine with FDP IFF we exposed real write streams,
> > which roughly double read nad wirte IOPS and reduce the WAF to almost
> > 1 this doesn't look too spectacular to be honest, but it sure it something.
>
> Hold up... I absolutely appreciate the work Hans is and has done. But
> are you talking about this talk?
>
> https://lpc.events/event/18/contributions/1822/attachments/1464/3105/Zoned%20XFS%20LPC%20Zoned%20MC%202024%20V1.pdf
>
> That is very much apples-to-oranges. The B+ isn't on the same device
> being evaluated for WAF, where this has all that mixed in. I think the
> results are pretty good, all things considered.

No. The meta data IO is just 0.1% of all writes, so that we use a
separate device for that in the benchmark really does not matter.

Since we can achieve a WAF of ~1 for RocksDB on flash, why should we
be content with another 67% of unwanted device side writes on top of
that?

It's of course impossible to compare your benchmark figures and mine
directly since we are using different devices, but hey, we definitely
have an opportunity here to make significant gains for FDP if we just
provide the right kernel interfaces.

Why shouldn't we expose the hardware in a way that enables the users
to make the most out of it?

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-31  8:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-29 15:19 [PATCHv10 0/9] write hints with nvme fdp, scsi streams Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 1/9] block: use generic u16 for write hints Keith Busch
2024-10-29 17:21   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 2/9] block: introduce max_write_hints queue limit Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 3/9] statx: add write hint information Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 4/9] block: allow ability to limit partition write hints Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 17:25   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-30  4:46     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 20:11       ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 20:26         ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-30 20:37           ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 21:15             ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 5/9] block, fs: add write hint to kiocb Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 6/9] io_uring: enable per-io hinting capability Keith Busch
2024-11-07  2:09   ` Jens Axboe
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 7/9] block: export placement hint feature Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 8/9] nvme: enable FDP support Keith Busch
2024-10-30  0:24   ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 9/9] scsi: set permanent stream count in block limits Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 15:34     ` Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:37       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 15:38         ` Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:53           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 16:22             ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30  4:55               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 15:41                 ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 15:45                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 15:48                     ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 15:50                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 16:42                         ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 16:57                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 17:05                             ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 17:15                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 17:23                             ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 22:32                             ` Keith Busch
2024-10-31  8:19                               ` Hans Holmberg [this message]
2024-10-31 13:02                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-31 14:06                                 ` Keith Busch
2024-11-01  7:16                                   ` Hans Holmberg
2024-11-01  8:19                                     ` Javier González
2024-11-01 14:49                                     ` Keith Busch
2024-11-06 14:26                                       ` Hans Holmberg
2024-10-30 16:59                 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-30 17:14                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 17:44                     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-01  1:03                       ` Jaegeuk Kim
2024-10-29 17:18     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-30  5:42       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 15:24 ` [PATCHv10 0/9] write hints with nvme fdp, scsi streams Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-05 15:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-06 18:36   ` Keith Busch
2024-11-07 20:36   ` Keith Busch
2024-11-08 14:18     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-08 15:51       ` Keith Busch
2024-11-08 16:54         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-11-08 17:43           ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-08 18:51             ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-11  9:31               ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-11 17:45                 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-12 13:52                   ` Nitesh Shetty
2024-11-19  2:03                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-11-11  6:51             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-11  9:30               ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-11  9:37                 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-11-11  9:41                   ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-11  9:42                     ` hch
2024-11-11  9:43                     ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-11-11 10:37                       ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-11  6:49           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-11  6:48         ` Christoph Hellwig

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