From: Damien Le Moal <[email protected]>
To: Kanchan Joshi <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>,
Kanchan Joshi <[email protected]>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
Matthew Wilcox <[email protected]>,
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"[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
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SelvaKumar S <[email protected]>,
Nitesh Shetty <[email protected]>,
Javier Gonzalez <[email protected]>,
Johannes Thumshirn <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 6/6] io_uring: add support for zone-append
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:14:22 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <MWHPR04MB375863C20C1EF2CB27E62703E74E0@MWHPR04MB3758.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: CA+1E3rLM4G4SwzD6RWsK6Ssp7NmhiPedZDjrqN3kORQr9fxCtw@mail.gmail.com
On 2020/07/31 16:59, Kanchan Joshi wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:29 PM Damien Le Moal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On 2020/07/31 15:45, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 06:42:10AM +0000, Damien Le Moal wrote:
>>>>> - We may not be able to use RWF_APPEND, and need exposing a new
>>>>> type/flag (RWF_INDIRECT_OFFSET etc.) user-space. Not sure if this
>>>>> sounds outrageous, but is it OK to have uring-only flag which can be
>>>>> combined with RWF_APPEND?
>>>>
>>>> Why ? Where is the problem ? O_APPEND/RWF_APPEND is currently meaningless for
>>>> raw block device accesses. We could certainly define a meaning for these in the
>>>> context of zoned block devices.
>>>
>>> We can't just add a meaning for O_APPEND on block devices now,
>>> as it was previously silently ignored. I also really don't think any
>>> of these semantics even fit the block device to start with. If you
>>> want to work on raw zones use zonefs, that's what is exists for.
>>
>> Which is fine with me. Just trying to say that I think this is exactly the
>> discussion we need to start with. What interface do we implement...
>>
>> Allowing zone append only through zonefs as the raw block device equivalent, all
>> the O_APPEND/RWF_APPEND semantic is defined and the "return written offset"
>> implementation in VFS would be common for all file systems, including regular
>> ones. Beside that, there is I think the question of short writes... Not sure if
>> short writes can currently happen with async RWF_APPEND writes to regular files.
>> I think not but that may depend on the FS.
>
> generic_write_check_limits (called by generic_write_checks, used by
> most FS) may make it short, and AFAIK it does not depend on
> async/sync.
Johannes has a patch (not posted yet) fixing all this for zonefs,
differentiating sync and async cases, allow short writes or not, etc. This was
done by not using generic_write_check_limits() and instead writing a
zonefs_check_write() function that is zone append friendly.
We can post that as a base for the discussion on semantic if you want...
> This was one of the reason why we chose to isolate the operation by a
> different IOCB flag and not by IOCB_APPEND alone.
For zonefs, the plan is:
* For the sync write case, zone append is always used.
* For the async write case, if we see IOCB_APPEND, then zone append BIOs are
used. If not, regular write BIOs are used.
Simple enough I think. No need for a new flag.
--
Damien Le Moal
Western Digital Research
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2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] zone-append support in io-uring and aio Kanchan Joshi
[not found] ` <CGME20200724155258epcas5p1a75b926950a18cd1e6c8e7a047e6c589@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] fs: introduce FMODE_ZONE_APPEND and IOCB_ZONE_APPEND Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-24 16:34 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-26 15:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-07-28 1:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-28 7:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <CGME20200724155324epcas5p18e1d3b4402d1e4a8eca87d0b56a3fa9b@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] fs: change ki_complete interface to support 64bit ret2 Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-26 15:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <CGME20200724155329epcas5p345ba6bad0b8fe18056bb4bcd26c10019@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] uio: return status with iov truncation Kanchan Joshi
[not found] ` <CGME20200724155341epcas5p15bfc55927f2abb60f19784270fe8e377@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] block: add zone append handling for direct I/O path Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-26 15:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <CGME20200724155346epcas5p2cfb383fe9904a45280c6145f4c13e1b4@epcas5p2.samsung.com>
2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] block: enable zone-append for iov_iter of bvec type Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-26 15:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <CGME20200724155350epcas5p3b8f1d59eda7f8fbb38c828f692d42fd6@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2020-07-24 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] io_uring: add support for zone-append Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-24 16:29 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-27 19:16 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-27 20:34 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-30 16:08 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-30 16:13 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-30 16:26 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-30 17:16 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-30 17:38 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-30 17:51 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-30 17:54 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-30 18:25 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-31 6:42 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-07-31 6:45 ` hch
2020-07-31 6:59 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-07-31 7:58 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-31 8:14 ` Damien Le Moal [this message]
2020-07-31 9:14 ` hch
2020-07-31 9:34 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-07-31 9:41 ` hch
2020-07-31 10:16 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-07-31 12:51 ` hch
2020-07-31 13:08 ` hch
2020-07-31 15:07 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-02 20:47 ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-08-05 7:35 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-08-14 8:14 ` hch
2020-08-14 8:27 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-08-14 12:04 ` hch
2020-08-14 12:20 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-09-07 7:01 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-09-08 15:18 ` hch
2020-09-24 17:19 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-09-25 2:52 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-09-28 18:58 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-09-29 1:24 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-09-29 18:49 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-02 20:43 ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-07-31 9:38 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-02 20:51 ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-07-31 7:08 ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-07-30 15:57 ` Pavel Begunkov
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