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From: Richard Guy Briggs <[email protected]>
To: Paul Moore <[email protected]>
Cc: Linux-Audit Mailing List <[email protected]>,
	LKML <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], Eric Paris <[email protected]>,
	Steve Grubb <[email protected]>, Stefan Roesch <[email protected]>,
	Christian Brauner <[email protected]>,
	Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
	Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] io_uring,audit: do not log IORING_OP_*GETXATTR
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 19:19:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y9RqEz/[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhSN+XSYGh0TBsCPftNvVNBN1JHugrrsp3gbF-in5S1PoA@mail.gmail.com>

On 2023-01-27 19:06, Paul Moore wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 6:01 PM Richard Guy Briggs <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 2023-01-27 17:43, Paul Moore wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 12:24 PM Richard Guy Briggs <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Getting XATTRs is not particularly interesting security-wise.
> > > >
> > > > Suggested-by: Steve Grubb <[email protected]>
> > > > Fixes: a56834e0fafe ("io_uring: add fgetxattr and getxattr support")
> > > > Signed-off-by: Richard Guy Briggs <[email protected]>
> > > > ---
> > > >  io_uring/opdef.c | 2 ++
> > > >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
> > >
> > > Depending on your security policy, fetching file data, including
> > > xattrs, can be interesting from a security perspective.  As an
> > > example, look at the SELinux file/getattr permission.
> > >
> > > https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux-notebook/blob/main/src/object_classes_permissions.md#common-file-permissions
> >
> > The intent here is to lessen the impact of audit operations.  Read and
> > Write were explicitly removed from io_uring auditing due to performance
> > concerns coupled with the denial of service implications from sheer
> > volume of records making other messages harder to locate.  Those
> > operations are still possible for syscall auditing but they are strongly
> > discouraged for normal use.
> 
> We need to balance security needs and performance needs.  You are
> correct that general read() and write() operations are not audited,
> and generally not checked from a LSM perspective as the auditing and
> access control happens at open() time instead (access to fds is
> revalidated when they are passed).  However, in the case of getxattr
> and fgetxattr, these are not normal file read operations, and do not
> go through the same code path in the kernel; there is a reason why we
> have xattr_permission() and security_inode_getxattr().
> 
> We need to continue to audit IORING_OP_FGETXATTR and IORING_OP_GETXATTR.

Fair enough.  This would be similar reasoning to send/recv vs
sendmsg/recvmsg.  I'll drop this patch.  Thanks for the reasoning and
feedback.

> paul-moore.com

- RGB

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Richard Guy Briggs <[email protected]>
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-28  0:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-27 17:23 [PATCH v1 0/2] two suggested iouring op audit updates Richard Guy Briggs
2023-01-27 17:23 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] io_uring,audit: audit IORING_OP_FADVISE but not IORING_OP_MADVISE Richard Guy Briggs
2023-01-27 22:35   ` Paul Moore
2023-01-27 22:45     ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-27 22:57       ` Paul Moore
2023-01-28 16:48         ` Steve Grubb
2023-01-27 23:02       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2023-01-27 23:03         ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-27 23:08           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2023-01-27 22:55     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2023-01-27 23:05       ` Paul Moore
2023-01-27 17:23 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] io_uring,audit: do not log IORING_OP_*GETXATTR Richard Guy Briggs
2023-01-27 22:43   ` Paul Moore
2023-01-27 23:01     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2023-01-27 23:05       ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-28  0:07         ` Paul Moore
2023-01-28  0:06       ` Paul Moore
2023-01-28  0:19         ` Richard Guy Briggs [this message]
2023-01-28 17:26     ` Steve Grubb
2023-01-29 23:37       ` Paul Moore
2023-01-27 17:40 ` [PATCH v1 0/2] two suggested iouring op audit updates Jens Axboe
2023-01-27 19:42   ` Paul Moore
2023-01-27 19:43     ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-27 22:38       ` Paul Moore
2023-01-27 22:46         ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-27 22:53           ` Paul Moore
2023-01-27 23:02             ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-27 23:07               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2023-01-27 23:08               ` Paul Moore
2023-01-27 23:10                 ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-28 16:47             ` Steve Grubb
2023-01-28 17:03               ` Paul Moore

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