From: Johannes Weiner <[email protected]>
To: Andrew Morton <[email protected]>
Cc: Ammar Faizi <[email protected]>,
Drew DeVault <[email protected]>,
[email protected], [email protected],
io_uring Mailing List <[email protected]>,
Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>,
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Increase default MLOCK_LIMIT to 8 MiB
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 17:26:25 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 08:35:30PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2021 14:12:45 +0700 Ammar Faizi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 11/6/21 2:05 PM, Drew DeVault wrote:
> > > Should I send a v2 or is this email sufficient:
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Drew DeVault <[email protected]>
> >
> > Oops, I missed akpm from the CC list. Added Andrew.
> >
> > Cc: Andrew Morton <[email protected]>
> > Ref: https://lore.kernel.org/io-uring/CFII8LNSW5XH.3OTIVFYX8P65Y@taiga/
>
> Let's cc linux-mm as well.
>
>
> Unfortunately I didn't know about this until Nov 4, which was formally
> too late for 5.16. I guess I could try to sneak it past Linus if
> someone were to send me some sufficiently convincing words explaining
> the urgency.
>
> I'd also be interested in seeing feedback from the MM developers.
>
> And a question: rather than messing around with a constant which will
> need to be increased again in a couple of years, can we solve this one
> and for all? For example, permit root to set the system-wide
> per-process max mlock size and depend upon initscripts to do this
> appropriately.
My take is that as long as the kernel sets some limit per default on
this at all, it should be one that works for common workloads. Today
this isn't the case.
We've recently switched our initscripts at FB to set the default to
0.1% of total RAM. The impetus for this was a subtle but widespread
issue where we failed to mmap the PERF_COUNT_SW_TASK_CLOCK event
counter (perf event mmap also uses RLIMIT_MEMLOCK!) and silently fell
back to the much less efficient clock_gettime() syscall.
Because the failure mode was subtle and annoying, we didn't just want
to raise the limit, but raise it so that no reasonable application
would run into it, and only buggy or malicious ones would.
And IMO, that's really what rlimits should be doing: catching clearly
bogus requests, not trying to do fine-grained resource control. For
more reasonable overuse that ends up causing memory pressure, the OOM
killer will do the right thing since the pages still belong to tasks.
So 0.1% of the machine seemed like a good default formula for
that. And it would be a bit more future proof too.
On my 32G desktop machine, that would be 32M. For comparison, the
default process rlimit on that machine is ~120k, which comes out to
~2G worth of kernel stack, which also isn't reclaimable without OOM...
> From: Drew DeVault <[email protected]>
> Subject: Increase default MLOCK_LIMIT to 8 MiB
>
> This limit has not been updated since 2008, when it was increased to 64
> KiB at the request of GnuPG. Until recently, the main use-cases for this
> feature were (1) preventing sensitive memory from being swapped, as in
> GnuPG's use-case; and (2) real-time use-cases. In the first case, little
> memory is called for, and in the second case, the user is generally in a
> position to increase it if they need more.
>
> The introduction of IOURING_REGISTER_BUFFERS adds a third use-case:
> preparing fixed buffers for high-performance I/O. This use-case will take
> as much of this memory as it can get, but is still limited to 64 KiB by
> default, which is very little. This increases the limit to 8 MB, which
> was chosen fairly arbitrarily as a more generous, but still conservative,
> default value.
>
> It is also possible to raise this limit in userspace. This is easily
> done, for example, in the use-case of a network daemon: systemd, for
> instance, provides for this via LimitMEMLOCK in the service file; OpenRC
> via the rc_ulimit variables. However, there is no established userspace
> facility for configuring this outside of daemons: end-user applications do
> not presently have access to a convenient means of raising their limits.
>
> The buck, as it were, stops with the kernel. It's much easier to address
> it here than it is to bring it to hundreds of distributions, and it can
> only realistically be relied upon to be high-enough by end-user software
> if it is more-or-less ubiquitous. Most distros don't change this
> particular rlimit from the kernel-supplied default value, so a change here
> will easily provide that ubiquity.
>
> Link: https://lkml.kernel.org/r/[email protected]
> Signed-off-by: Drew DeVault <[email protected]>
> Acked-by: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
> Acked-by: Cyril Hrubis <[email protected]>
> Cc: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
> Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <[email protected]>
Acked-by: Johannes Weiner <[email protected]>
As per above, I think basing it off of RAM size would be better, but
this increase is overdue given all the new users beyond mlock(), and
8M is much better than the current value.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-17 22:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-10-28 8:08 [PATCH] Increase default MLOCK_LIMIT to 8 MiB Drew DeVault
2021-10-28 18:22 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-04 14:27 ` Cyril Hrubis
2021-11-04 14:44 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-06 2:33 ` Ammar Faizi
2021-11-06 7:05 ` Drew DeVault
2021-11-06 7:12 ` Ammar Faizi
2021-11-16 4:35 ` Andrew Morton
2021-11-16 6:32 ` Drew DeVault
2021-11-16 19:47 ` Andrew Morton
2021-11-16 19:48 ` Drew DeVault
2021-11-16 21:37 ` Andrew Morton
2021-11-17 8:23 ` Drew DeVault
2021-11-22 17:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 17:55 ` Andrew Dona-Couch
2021-11-22 18:26 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 19:53 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-22 20:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-11-22 20:04 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-22 20:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 20:44 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-22 21:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-23 12:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-23 13:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-23 13:39 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-23 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-23 14:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-23 17:00 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-23 17:04 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-23 22:04 ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-11-23 23:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-24 8:57 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 13:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-24 13:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 13:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-24 13:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 13:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-24 14:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 15:34 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-24 16:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 18:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-24 19:09 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 23:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-30 15:52 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 18:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 14:37 ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-11-24 14:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-16 18:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-11-16 18:44 ` Drew DeVault
2021-11-16 18:55 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-16 19:21 ` Vito Caputo
2021-11-16 19:25 ` Drew DeVault
2021-11-16 19:46 ` Vito Caputo
2021-11-16 19:41 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-17 22:26 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2021-11-17 23:17 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-18 21:58 ` Andrew Morton
2021-11-19 7:41 ` Drew DeVault
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