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From: Keith Busch <[email protected]>
To: Christoph Hellwig <[email protected]>
Cc: Keith Busch <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], Alexander Viro <[email protected]>,
	Kernel Team <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv3 0/7] dma mapping optimisations
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:05:05 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On Tue, Aug 09, 2022 at 08:41:37PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 09, 2022 at 10:46:04AM -0600, Keith Busch wrote:
> 
> > For swiotlb, though, we can error out the mapping if the requested memory uses
> > swiotlb with the device: the driver's .dma_map() can return ENOTSUPP if
> > is_swiotlb_buffer() is true. Would that be more acceptable?
> 
> No, is_swiotlb_buffer and similar are not exported APIs.

The functions are implemented under 'include/linux/', indistinguishable from
exported APIs. I think I understand why they are there, but they look the same
as exported functions from a driver perspective.

> More importantly with the various secure hypervisor schemes swiotlb is
> unfortunately actually massively increasing these days.  On those systems all
> streaming mappings use swiotlb.  And the only way to get any kind of
> half-decent I/O performance would be the "special" premapped allocator, which
> is another reason why I'd like to see it.

Perhaps I'm being daft, but I'm totally missing why I should care if swiotlb
leverages this feature. If you're using that, you've traded performance for
security or compatibility already. If this idea can be used to make it perform
better, then great, but that shouldn't be the reason to hold this up IMO.

This optimization needs to be easy to reach if we expect anyone to use it.
Working with arbitrary user addresses with minimal additions to the user ABI
was deliberate. If you want a special allocator, we can always add one later;
this series doesn't affect that.

If this has potential to starve system resource though, I can constrain it to
specific users like CAP_SYS_ADMIN, or maybe only memory allocated from
hugetlbfs. Or perhaps a more complicated scheme of shuffling dma mapping
resources on demand if that is an improvement over the status quo.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-10 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-05 16:24 [PATCHv3 0/7] dma mapping optimisations Keith Busch
2022-08-05 16:24 ` [PATCHv3 1/7] blk-mq: add ops to dma map bvec Keith Busch
2022-08-05 16:24 ` [PATCHv3 2/7] file: " Keith Busch
2022-08-08  0:21   ` Dave Chinner
2022-08-08  1:13     ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-08-08  2:15       ` Dave Chinner
2022-08-08  2:49         ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-08-08  7:31           ` Dave Chinner
2022-08-08 15:28             ` Keith Busch
2022-08-08 10:14         ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-08-05 16:24 ` [PATCHv3 3/7] iov_iter: introduce type for preregistered dma tags Keith Busch
2022-08-05 16:24 ` [PATCHv3 4/7] block: add dma tag bio type Keith Busch
2022-08-05 16:24 ` [PATCHv3 5/7] io_uring: introduce file slot release helper Keith Busch
2022-08-05 16:24 ` [PATCHv3 6/7] io_uring: add support for dma pre-mapping Keith Busch
2022-08-05 16:24 ` [PATCHv3 7/7] nvme-pci: implement dma_map support Keith Busch
2022-08-09  6:46 ` [PATCHv3 0/7] dma mapping optimisations Christoph Hellwig
2022-08-09 14:18   ` Keith Busch
2022-08-09 18:39     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-08-09 16:46   ` Keith Busch
2022-08-09 18:41     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-08-10 18:05       ` Keith Busch [this message]
2022-08-11  7:22         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-08-31 21:19           ` Keith Busch

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