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From: Ming Lei <[email protected]>
To: Caleb Sander Mateos <[email protected]>
Cc: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
	Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>,
	Keith Busch <[email protected]>, Christoph Hellwig <[email protected]>,
	Sagi Grimberg <[email protected]>,
	Xinyu Zhang <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Consistently look up fixed buffers before going async
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2025 15:33:31 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z95nyw8LUw0aHKCu@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 12:48:16PM -0600, Caleb Sander Mateos wrote:
> To use ublk zero copy, an application submits a sequence of io_uring
> operations:
> (1) Register a ublk request's buffer into the fixed buffer table
> (2) Use the fixed buffer in some I/O operation
> (3) Unregister the buffer from the fixed buffer table
> 
> The ordering of these operations is critical; if the fixed buffer lookup
> occurs before the register or after the unregister operation, the I/O
> will fail with EFAULT or even corrupt a different ublk request's buffer.
> It is possible to guarantee the correct order by linking the operations,
> but that adds overhead and doesn't allow multiple I/O operations to
> execute in parallel using the same ublk request's buffer. Ideally, the
> application could just submit the register, I/O, and unregister SQEs in
> the desired order without links and io_uring would ensure the ordering.

So far there are only two ways to provide the order guarantee in io_uring
syscall viewpoint:

1) IOSQE_IO_LINK

2) submit register_buffer operation and wait its completion, then submit IO
operations

Otherwise, you may just depend on the implementation, and there isn't such
order guarantee, and it is hard to write generic io_uring application.

I posted sqe group patchset for addressing this particular requirement in
API level.

https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/[email protected]/

Now I'd suggest to re-consider this approach for respecting the order
in API level, so both application and io_uring needn't play trick for
addressing this real problem.

With sqe group, just two OPs are needed:

- provide_buffer OP(group leader)

- other generic OPs(group members)

group leader won't be completed until all group member OPs are done.

The whole group share same IO_LINK/IO_HARDLINK flag.

That is all the concept, and this approach takes less SQEs, and application
will become simpler too.


Thanks,
Ming


      parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-22  7:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-21 18:48 [PATCH 0/3] Consistently look up fixed buffers before going async Caleb Sander Mateos
2025-03-21 18:48 ` [PATCH 1/3] io_uring/net: only import send_zc buffer once Caleb Sander Mateos
2025-03-21 20:38   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-03-21 20:44     ` Caleb Sander Mateos
2025-03-21 18:48 ` [PATCH 2/3] io_uring/net: import send_zc fixed buffer before going async Caleb Sander Mateos
2025-03-21 18:48 ` [PATCH 3/3] io_uring/uring_cmd: import " Caleb Sander Mateos
2025-03-21 20:35   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-03-21 21:38     ` Caleb Sander Mateos
2025-03-22 12:18       ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-03-21 19:53 ` [PATCH 0/3] Consistently look up fixed buffers " Jens Axboe
2025-03-21 20:24 ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-03-21 21:24   ` Caleb Sander Mateos
2025-03-22 12:33     ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-03-22  7:42   ` Ming Lei
2025-03-22  7:33 ` Ming Lei [this message]

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