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From: Ming Lei <[email protected]>
To: Christoph Hellwig <[email protected]>
Cc: Dave Chinner <[email protected]>,
	Mikulas Patocka <[email protected]>,
	Jens Axboe <[email protected]>, Jooyung Han <[email protected]>,
	Alasdair Kergon <[email protected]>,
	Mike Snitzer <[email protected]>,
	Heinz Mauelshagen <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected], [email protected],
	[email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH] the dm-loop target
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:34:28 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9k-JE8FmWKe0fm0@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 12:57:17AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 03:27:48PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > Yes, NOWAIT may then add an incremental performance improvement on
> > top for optimal layout cases, but I'm still not yet convinced that
> > it is a generally applicable loop device optimisation that everyone
> > wants to always enable due to the potential for 100% NOWAIT
> > submission failure on any given loop device.....

NOWAIT failure can be avoided actually:

https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/[email protected]/

> 
> Yes, I think this is a really good first step:
> 
> 1) switch loop to use a per-command work_item unconditionally, which also
>    has the nice effect that it cleans up the horrible mess of the
>    per-blkcg workers.  (note that this is what the nvmet file backend has

It could be worse to take per-command work, because IO handling crosses
all system wq worker contexts.

>    always done with good result)

per-command work does burn lots of CPU unnecessarily, it isn't good for
use case of container, and it can not perform as well as NOWAIT.

> 2) look into NOWAIT submission, especially for reads this should be
>    a clear winner and probaby done unconditionally.  For writes it
>    might be a bit of a tradeoff if we expect the writes to allocate
>    a lot, so we might want some kind of tunable for it.

It is a winner for over-write too.

WRITE with allocation can be kept to submit from wq context, see my
patchset V2.


Thanks,
Ming


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2025-03-11 10:43                   ` [PATCH] the dm-loop target Ming Lei
2025-03-12  2:34                     ` Dave Chinner
2025-03-12  6:24                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-12  8:26                       ` Ming Lei
2025-03-13  1:36                         ` Ming Lei
2025-03-13 16:36                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-03-18  4:27                           ` Dave Chinner
2025-03-18  7:57                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18  9:34                               ` Ming Lei [this message]

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