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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Jooyung Han <jooyung@google.com>,
	Alasdair Kergon <agk@redhat.com>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>,
	Heinz Mauelshagen <heinzm@redhat.com>,
	zkabelac@redhat.com, dm-devel@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	io-uring@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] the dm-loop target
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:41:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9vGxrPzJ6oswWrS@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z9u-489C_PVu8Se1@infradead.org>

On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 12:08:19AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 05:34:28PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 12:57:17AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 03:27:48PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > > Yes, NOWAIT may then add an incremental performance improvement on
> > > > top for optimal layout cases, but I'm still not yet convinced that
> > > > it is a generally applicable loop device optimisation that everyone
> > > > wants to always enable due to the potential for 100% NOWAIT
> > > > submission failure on any given loop device.....
> > 
> > NOWAIT failure can be avoided actually:
> > 
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/20250314021148.3081954-6-ming.lei@redhat.com/
> 
> That's a very complex set of heuristics which doesn't match up
> with other uses of it.

I'd suggest you to point them out in the patch review.

> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, I think this is a really good first step:
> > > 
> > > 1) switch loop to use a per-command work_item unconditionally, which also
> > >    has the nice effect that it cleans up the horrible mess of the
> > >    per-blkcg workers.  (note that this is what the nvmet file backend has
> > 
> > It could be worse to take per-command work, because IO handling crosses
> > all system wq worker contexts.
> 
> So do other workloads with pretty good success.
> 
> > 
> > >    always done with good result)
> > 
> > per-command work does burn lots of CPU unnecessarily, it isn't good for
> > use case of container
> 
> That does not match my observations in say nvmet.  But if you have
> numbers please share them.

Please see the result I posted:

https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/Z9FFTiuMC8WD6qMH@fedora/


Thanks,
Ming


  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-20  7:42 UTC|newest]

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2025-03-11 10:43                   ` [PATCH] the dm-loop target Ming Lei
2025-03-12  2:34                     ` Dave Chinner
2025-03-12  6:24                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-12  8:26                       ` Ming Lei
2025-03-13  1:36                         ` Ming Lei
2025-03-13 16:36                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-03-18  4:27                           ` Dave Chinner
2025-03-18  7:57                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18  9:34                               ` Ming Lei
2025-03-20  7:08                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-20  7:41                                   ` Ming Lei [this message]
2025-03-20 14:22                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-20 14:36                                       ` Ming Lei
2025-03-25 10:15                                     ` Dave Chinner
2025-03-25 12:23                                       ` Ming Lei

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