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From: Ming Lei <[email protected]>
To: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
Cc: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>,
	[email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] io_uring: mark opcodes that always need io-wq punt
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:25:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZEiZm3AbjfnKZ7/[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 04:46:03PM +0100, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
> On 4/25/23 16:25, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > On 4/25/23 9:07?AM, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 08:50:33AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > > On 4/25/23 8:42?AM, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 07:31:10AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > > > > On 4/24/23 8:50?PM, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 08:18:02PM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 4/24/23 8:13?PM, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 08:08:09PM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 4/24/23 6:57?PM, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 09:24:33AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/24/23 1:30?AM, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 12:31:35PM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add an opdef bit for them, and set it for the opcodes where we always
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > need io-wq punt. With that done, exclude them from the file_can_poll()
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > check in terms of whether or not we need to punt them if any of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > NO_OFFLOAD flags are set.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   io_uring/io_uring.c |  2 +-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   io_uring/opdef.c    | 22 ++++++++++++++++++++--
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   io_uring/opdef.h    |  2 ++
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   3 files changed, 23 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/io_uring/io_uring.c b/io_uring/io_uring.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > index fee3e461e149..420cfd35ebc6 100644
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- a/io_uring/io_uring.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +++ b/io_uring/io_uring.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -1948,7 +1948,7 @@ static int io_issue_sqe(struct io_kiocb *req, unsigned int issue_flags)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   		return -EBADF;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   	if (issue_flags & IO_URING_F_NO_OFFLOAD &&
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -	    (!req->file || !file_can_poll(req->file)))
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +	    (!req->file || !file_can_poll(req->file) || def->always_iowq))
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   		issue_flags &= ~IO_URING_F_NONBLOCK;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess the check should be !def->always_iowq?
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > How so? Nobody that takes pollable files should/is setting
> > > > > > > > > > > > ->always_iowq. If we can poll the file, we should not force inline
> > > > > > > > > > > > submission. Basically the ones setting ->always_iowq always do -EAGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > > > returns if nonblock == true.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > I meant IO_URING_F_NONBLOCK is cleared here for  ->always_iowq, and
> > > > > > > > > > > these OPs won't return -EAGAIN, then run in the current task context
> > > > > > > > > > > directly.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Right, of IO_URING_F_NO_OFFLOAD is set, which is entirely the point of
> > > > > > > > > > it :-)
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > But ->always_iowq isn't actually _always_ since fallocate/fsync/... are
> > > > > > > > > not punted to iowq in case of IO_URING_F_NO_OFFLOAD, looks the naming of
> > > > > > > > > ->always_iowq is a bit confusing?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Yeah naming isn't that great, I can see how that's bit confusing. I'll
> > > > > > > > be happy to take suggestions on what would make it clearer.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Except for the naming, I am also wondering why these ->always_iowq OPs
> > > > > > > aren't punted to iowq in case of IO_URING_F_NO_OFFLOAD, given it
> > > > > > > shouldn't improve performance by doing so because these OPs are supposed
> > > > > > > to be slow and always slept, not like others(buffered writes, ...),
> > > > > > > can you provide one hint about not offloading these OPs? Or is it just that
> > > > > > > NO_OFFLOAD needs to not offload every OPs?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The whole point of NO_OFFLOAD is that items that would normally be
> > > > > > passed to io-wq are just run inline. This provides a way to reap the
> > > > > > benefits of batched submissions and syscall reductions. Some opcodes
> > > > > > will just never be async, and io-wq offloads are not very fast. Some of
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yeah, seems io-wq is much slower than inline issue, maybe it needs
> > > > > to be looked into, and it is easy to run into io-wq for IOSQE_IO_LINK.
> > > > 
> > > > Indeed, depending on what is being linked, you may see io-wq activity
> > > > which is not ideal.
> > > 
> > > That is why I prefer to fused command for ublk zero copy, because the
> > > registering buffer approach suggested by Pavel and Ziyang has to link
> > > register buffer OP with the actual IO OP, and it is observed that
> > > IOPS drops to 1/2 in 4k random io test with registered buffer approach.
> > 
> > It'd be worth looking into if we can avoid io-wq for link execution, as
> > that'd be a nice win overall too. IIRC, there's no reason why it can't
> > be done like initial issue rather than just a lazy punt to io-wq.
> 
> I might've missed a part of the discussion, but links are _usually_
> executed by task_work, e.g.
> 
> io_submit_flush_completions() -> io_queue_next() -> io_req_task_queue()

Good catch, just figured out that /dev/ublkcN & backing file isn't opened by
O_NONBLOCK.

But -EAGAIN is still returned from io_write() even though the regular
file is opened with O_DIRECT, at least on btrfs & xfs, so io wq is still
scheduled. Not look into the exact reason yet, and not see such issue for
block device. Anyway, it isn't related with io wq.

However, in case that multiple OPs depends on this registered buffer,
the other OPs(from the 2nd to the last one) are still run one by one
can be submitted concurrently, and fused command does not have such
limit.

> 
> There is one optimisation where if we're already in io-wq, it'll try
> to serve the next linked request by the same io-wq worker with no
> overhead on requeueing, but otherwise it'll only get there if
> the request can't be executed nowait / async as per usual rules.
> 
> The tw execution part might be further optimised, it can be executed
> almost in place instead of queueing a tw. It saved quite a lot of CPU
> when I tried it with BPF requests.

OK, once it is done, I am happy to test it.


Thanks,
Ming


  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-26  3:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-20 18:31 [PATCHSET v2 0/4] Enable NO_OFFLOAD support Jens Axboe
2023-04-20 18:31 ` [PATCH 1/4] io_uring: add support for NO_OFFLOAD Jens Axboe
2023-04-20 18:31 ` [PATCH 2/4] Revert "io_uring: always go async for unsupported fadvise flags" Jens Axboe
2023-04-20 18:31 ` [PATCH 3/4] Revert "io_uring: for requests that require async, force it" Jens Axboe
2023-04-20 18:31 ` [PATCH 4/4] io_uring: mark opcodes that always need io-wq punt Jens Axboe
2023-04-24  7:30   ` Ming Lei
2023-04-24 15:24     ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-25  0:57       ` Ming Lei
2023-04-25  2:08         ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-25  2:13           ` Ming Lei
2023-04-25  2:18             ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-25  2:50               ` Ming Lei
2023-04-25 13:31                 ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-25 14:42                   ` Ming Lei
2023-04-25 14:50                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-25 15:07                       ` Ming Lei
2023-04-25 15:25                         ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-25 15:46                           ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-04-26  3:25                             ` Ming Lei [this message]
2023-04-26  4:28                               ` Ming Lei
2023-04-26  1:43                           ` Ming Lei
2023-04-25 16:10                         ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-04-26  3:37                           ` Ming Lei
2023-04-25 15:28                     ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-04-30 13:34                       ` Hao Xu

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