From: Steve <steve_iouring_list@shic.co.uk>
To: io-uring@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Relationship between io-uring asynchronous idioms and mmap/LRU paging.
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 19:12:49 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a11e741c-458f-4343-8f68-28ecc151cb34@shic.co.uk> (raw)
I hope my post is appropriate for this list. Relative to other recent
posts on this list, my interests are high-level.
I want to develop efficient, scalable, low-latency, asynchronous
services in user-space. I've dabbled with liburing in the context of an
experimental service involving network request/responses. For the
purpose of this post, assume calculating responses, to requests,
requires looking-up pages in a huge read-only file. In order to reap
all the performance benefits of io-uring, I know I should avoid blocking
calls in my event loop.
If I were to use a multithreaded (c.f. asynchronous) paradigm... my
strategy, to look-up pages, would have been to mmap
<https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/mmap.2.html> the huge file and
rely upon the kernel LRU cache. Cache misses, relative to the memory
mapped file will result in a page fault and a blocked thread. This could
be OK, if cache-misses are rare events... but, while cache hits are
expected to be frequent, I can't assume cache misses will be rare.
Options I have considered:
1. Introduce a thread-pool, with task-request and task-response
queues... using tasks to de-couple reading requests from writing
responses... the strategy would be to avoid the io-uring event loop
thread interacting with the memory mapped file. Intuitively, this seems
cumbersome - compared with using a 'more asynchronous' idiom to avoid
having to depend upon multithreaded concurrency and thread synchronisation.
2. Implement an explicit application-layer page cache. Pages could be
retrieved, into explicitly allocated memory, asynchronously... using
io-uring read requests. I could suspend request/response processing on
any cache miss... then resume processing when the io-uring completion
queue informs that each page has been loaded. A C++20 coroutine, for
example, could allow this asynchronous suspension and resumption of
calculation of responses to requests. This approach seems to undermine
resource-use cooperation between processes. A single page on disk could
end-up cached separately by each process instance (inefficient) and
there would be difficulties efficiently managing appropriate sizes for
application layer caches.
In an ideal world, I would like to fuse the benefits of mmap's
kernel-managed cache, with the advantages of an io-uring asynchronous
idiom. I find myself wishing there were kernel-level APIs to:
* Determine if a page, at a virtual address, is already cached in
RAM. [ Perhaps mincore()
<https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/mincore.2.html> could be adequate? ]
* Submit an asynchronous io-uring request with comparable (but
non-blocking) effect to a page-fault for the virtual address whose page
was not in core.
* Receive notification, on the io-uring completion queue, that an
requested page has now been cached.
If such facilities were to exist, I can imagine a process, using
io-uring asynchronous idioms, that retains the memory management
advantages associated with mmap... without introducing dependence upon
threads. I've not found any documentation to suggest that my imagined
io-uring features exist. Am I overlooking something? Are there plans to
implement asynchronous features involving the kernel page-cache and
io-uring scheduling? Would io-uring experts consider option 1 a
sensible, pragmatic, choice... in a circumstance where kernel-level
caching of the mapped file seems desirable... or would a different
approach be more appropriate?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
Steve
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2025-07-17 14:50 ` Relationship between io-uring asynchronous idioms and mmap/LRU paging Jens Axboe
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