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From: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
To: Mina Almasry <[email protected]>, David Wei <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
	Jens Axboe <[email protected]>, Jakub Kicinski <[email protected]>,
	Paolo Abeni <[email protected]>,
	"David S. Miller" <[email protected]>,
	Eric Dumazet <[email protected]>,
	Jesper Dangaard Brouer <[email protected]>,
	David Ahern <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 03/20] net: page pool: rework ppiov life cycle
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 00:49:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHS8izPqKg73ub5WUg=EBdd8ifCcAuh69LB0pBUSw6t+5NGjjQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/23 23:35, Mina Almasry wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 1:04 PM David Wei <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> From: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
>>
>> NOT FOR UPSTREAM
>> The final version will depend on how the ppiov infra looks like
>>
>> Page pool is tracking how many pages were allocated and returned, which
>> serves for refcounting the pool, and so every page/frag allocated should
>> eventually come back to the page pool via appropriate ways, e.g. by
>> calling page_pool_put_page().
>>
>> When it comes to normal page pools (i.e. without memory providers
>> attached), it's fine to return a page when it's still refcounted by
>> somewhat in the stack, in which case we'll "detach" the page from the
>> pool and rely on page refcount for it to return back to the kernel.
>>
>> Memory providers are different, at least ppiov based ones, they need
>> all their buffers to eventually return back, so apart from custom pp
>> ->release handlers, we'll catch when someone puts down a ppiov and call
>> its memory provider to handle it, i.e. __page_pool_iov_free().
>>
>> The first problem is that __page_pool_iov_free() hard coded devmem
>> handling, and other providers need a flexible way to specify their own
>> callbacks.
>>
>> The second problem is that it doesn't go through the generic page pool
>> paths and so can't do the mentioned pp accounting right. And we can't
>> even safely rely on page_pool_put_page() to be called somewhere before
>> to do the pp refcounting, because then the page pool might get destroyed
>> and ppiov->pp would point to garbage.
>>
>> The solution is to make the pp ->release callback to be responsible for
>> properly recycling its buffers, e.g. calling what was
>> __page_pool_iov_free() before in case of devmem.
>> page_pool_iov_put_many() will be returning buffers to the page pool.
>>
> 
> Hmm this patch is working on top of slightly outdated code. I think> the correct solution here is to transition to using pp_ref_count for
> refcounting the ppiovs/niovs. Once we do that, we no longer need
> special refcounting for ppiovs, they're refcounted identically to
> pages, makes the pp more maintainable, gives us some unified handling
> of page pool refcounting, it becomes trivial to support fragmented
> pages which require a pp_ref_count, and all the code in this patch can
> go away.
> 
> I'm unsure if this patch is just because you haven't rebased to my
> latest RFC (which is completely fine by me), or if you actually think
> using pp_ref_count for refcounting is wrong and want us to go back to
> the older model which required some custom handling for ppiov and
> disabled frag support. I'm guessing it's the former, but please
> correct if I'm wrong.

Right, it's based on older patches, it'd be a fool's work keep
rebasing it while the code is still changing unless there is a
good reason for that.

I haven't taken a look at devmem v5, I definitely going to. IMHO,
this approach is versatile and clear, but if there is a better one,
I'm all for it.

-- 
Pavel Begunkov

  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-20  0:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-19 21:03 [RFC PATCH v3 00/20] Zero copy Rx using io_uring David Wei
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/20] net: page_pool: add ppiov mangling helper David Wei
2023-12-19 23:22   ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-19 23:59     ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/20] tcp: don't allow non-devmem originated ppiov David Wei
2023-12-19 23:24   ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-20  1:29     ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-01-02 16:11       ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/20] net: page pool: rework ppiov life cycle David Wei
2023-12-19 23:35   ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-20  0:49     ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/20] net: enable napi_pp_put_page for ppiov David Wei
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/20] net: page_pool: add ->scrub mem provider callback David Wei
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/20] io_uring: separate header for exported net bits David Wei
2023-12-20 16:01   ` Jens Axboe
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/20] io_uring: add interface queue David Wei
2023-12-20 16:13   ` Jens Axboe
2023-12-20 16:23     ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-21  1:44     ` David Wei
2023-12-21 17:57   ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-12-30 16:25     ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-31 22:25       ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/20] io_uring: add mmap support for shared ifq ringbuffers David Wei
2023-12-20 16:13   ` Jens Axboe
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/20] netdev: add XDP_SETUP_ZC_RX command David Wei
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/20] io_uring: setup ZC for an Rx queue when registering an ifq David Wei
2023-12-20 16:06   ` Jens Axboe
2023-12-20 16:24     ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/20] io_uring/zcrx: implement socket registration David Wei
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 12/20] io_uring: add ZC buf and pool David Wei
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 13/20] io_uring: implement pp memory provider for zc rx David Wei
2023-12-19 23:44   ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-20  0:39     ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-21 19:36   ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 14/20] net: page pool: add io_uring memory provider David Wei
2023-12-19 23:39   ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-20  0:04     ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 15/20] io_uring: add io_recvzc request David Wei
2023-12-20 16:27   ` Jens Axboe
2023-12-20 17:04     ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-20 18:09       ` Jens Axboe
2023-12-21 18:59         ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-21 21:32           ` Jens Axboe
2023-12-30 21:15             ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 16/20] net: execute custom callback from napi David Wei
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 17/20] io_uring/zcrx: add copy fallback David Wei
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 18/20] veth: add support for io_uring zc rx David Wei
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 19/20] net: page pool: generalise ppiov dma address get David Wei
2023-12-21 19:51   ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-19 21:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 20/20] bnxt: enable io_uring zc page pool David Wei

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