From: Sidong Yang <sidong.yang@furiosa.ai>
To: Daniel Almeida <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>
Cc: Benno Lossin <lossin@kernel.org>,
Caleb Sander Mateos <csander@purestorage.com>,
Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
io-uring@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] rust: io_uring: introduce rust abstraction for io-uring cmd
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 09:54:42 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aJviUiNhTwCsMbaX@sidongui-MacBookPro.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <06EA9E60-9BED-4275-9ED3-DA54CF3A8451@collabora.com>
On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 11:38:51AM -0300, Daniel Almeida wrote:
>
>
> > On 12 Aug 2025, at 05:34, Benno Lossin <lossin@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon Aug 11, 2025 at 4:50 PM CEST, Sidong Yang wrote:
> >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 09:44:22AM -0300, Daniel Almeida wrote:
> >>>> There is `uring_cmd` callback in `file_operation` at c side. `Pin<&mut IoUringCmd>`
> >>>> would be create in the callback function. But the callback function could be
> >>>> called repeatedly with same `io_uring_cmd` instance as far as I know.
> >>>>
> >>>> But in c side, there is initialization step `io_uring_cmd_prep()`.
> >>>> How about fill zero pdu in `io_uring_cmd_prep()`? And we could assign a byte
> >>>> as flag in pdu for checking initialized also we should provide 31 bytes except
> >>>> a byte for the flag.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> That was a follow-up question of mine. Can´t we enforce zero-initialization
> >>> in C to get rid of this MaybeUninit? Uninitialized data is just bad in general.
> >>>
> >>> Hopefully this can be done as you've described above, but I don't want to over
> >>> extend my opinion on something I know nothing about.
> >>
> >> I need to add a commit that initialize pdu in prep step in next version.
> >> I'd like to get a comment from io_uring maintainer Jens. Thanks.
> >>
> >> If we could initialize (filling zero) in prep step, How about casting issue?
> >> Driver still needs to cast array to its private struct in unsafe?
> >
> > We still would have the casting issue.
> >
> > Can't we do the following:
> >
> > * Add a new associated type to `MiscDevice` called `IoUringPdu` that
> > has to implement `Default` and have a size of at most 32 bytes.
> > * make `IoUringCmd` generic
> > * make `MiscDevice::uring_cmd` take `Pin<&mut IoUringCmd<Self::IoUringPdu>>`
> > * initialize the private data to be `IoUringPdu::default()` when we
> > create the `IoUringCmd` object.
> > * provide a `fn pdu(&mut self) -> &mut Pdu` on `IoUringPdu<Pdu>`.
> >
> > Any thoughts? If we don't want to add a new associated type to
> > `MiscDevice` (because not everyone has to declare the `IoUringCmd`
> > data), I have a small trait dance that we can do to avoid that:
>
>
> Benno,
>
> IIUC, and note that I'm not proficient with io_uring in general:
>
> I think we have to accept that we will need to parse types from and to byte
> arrays, and that is inherently unsafe. It is no different from what is going on
> in UserSliceReader/UserSliceWriter, and IMHO, we should copy that in as much as
> it makes sense.
>
> I think that the only difference is that all uAPI types de-facto satisfy all
> the requirements for FromBytes/AsBytes, as we've discussed previously, whereas
> here, drivers have to prove that their types can implement the trait.
>
>
> By the way, Sidong, is this byte array shared with userspace? i.e.: is there
> any copy_to/from_user() taking place here?
No. pdu array allocated from kernel. I'll use `core::ptr::copy_nonoverlapping`.
Thanks,
Sidong
>
> -- Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-13 0:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-27 15:03 [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] rust: miscdevice: abstraction for uring-cmd Sidong Yang
2025-07-27 15:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] rust: bindings: add io_uring headers in bindings_helper.h Sidong Yang
2025-07-27 15:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] rust: io_uring: introduce rust abstraction for io-uring cmd Sidong Yang
2025-08-01 13:48 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-02 10:52 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-06 12:38 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-06 13:38 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-08 6:56 ` Sidong Yang
2025-08-08 8:49 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-08 9:43 ` Sidong Yang
2025-08-09 10:18 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-09 12:51 ` Sidong Yang
2025-08-09 20:22 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-10 13:50 ` Sidong Yang
2025-08-10 14:27 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-10 14:46 ` Sidong Yang
2025-08-10 20:06 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-11 12:34 ` Sidong Yang
2025-08-11 12:44 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-11 14:50 ` Sidong Yang
2025-08-12 8:34 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-12 12:19 ` Sidong Yang
2025-08-12 12:43 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-12 13:56 ` Sidong Yang
2025-08-12 13:59 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-12 14:38 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-13 0:54 ` Sidong Yang [this message]
2025-08-08 13:55 ` Caleb Sander Mateos
2025-08-09 12:53 ` Sidong Yang
2025-08-05 3:39 ` Sidong Yang
2025-08-05 13:02 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-06 9:11 ` Sidong Yang
2025-07-27 15:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] rust: miscdevice: add uring_cmd() for MiscDevice trait Sidong Yang
2025-08-01 14:04 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-07 7:46 ` Sidong Yang
2025-07-27 15:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] samples: rust: rust_misc_device: add uring_cmd example Sidong Yang
2025-08-01 14:11 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-07 6:30 ` Sidong Yang
2025-07-27 17:17 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] rust: miscdevice: abstraction for uring-cmd Daniel Almeida
2025-08-01 14:13 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-07 6:17 ` Sidong Yang
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