From: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
konstantin@linuxfoundation.org, csander@purestorage.com,
io-uring@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
workflows@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] b4 dig: Add AI-powered email relationship discovery command
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2025 14:54:53 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMB3_VgB4mwp-bzP@laps> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <72dd17ad-5467-49d3-9f40-054b1bf875d5@kernel.dk>
On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 11:26:19AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
>On 9/9/25 11:22 AM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 12:32:14PM -0400, Sasha Levin wrote:
>>> Add a new 'b4 dig' subcommand that uses AI agents to discover related
>>> emails for a given message ID. This helps developers find all relevant
>>> context around patches including previous versions, bug reports, reviews,
>>> and related discussions.
>>
>> That really sounds like "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks
>> like a nail". The community has been working for multiple years to
>> improve discovery of relationships between patches and commits, with
>> great tools such are lore, lei and b4, and usage of commit IDs, patch
>> IDs and message IDs to link everything together. Those provide exact
>> results in a deterministic way, and consume a fraction of power of what
>> this patch would do. It would be very sad if this would be the direction
>> we decide to take.
>
>Fully agree, this kind of lazy "oh just waste billions of cycles and
>punt to some AI" bs is just kind of giving up on proper infrastructure
>to support maintainers and developers.
This feels like a false choice: why force a pick between b4-dig-like tooling
and improving our infra? They can work together. As tagging and workflows
improve, those gains will flow into the tools anyway.
It's like saying we should skip -rc releases because they mean we've given up
on bug free code.
Perfect is the enemy of the good. You're arguing against a tool that works now,
just because it's not ideal, and to chase perfection instead. I'd rather be
"lazy" and skip the endless lore hunts.
--
Thanks,
Sasha
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-09 18:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-05 11:18 [GIT PULL] io_uring fix for 6.17-rc5 Jens Axboe
2025-09-05 17:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-05 17:45 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-05 18:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-05 19:33 ` Link trailers revisited (was Re: [GIT PULL] io_uring fix for 6.17-rc5) Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-05 20:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-05 20:47 ` Sasha Levin
2025-09-06 11:27 ` Greg KH
2025-09-06 11:27 ` Greg KH
2025-09-06 11:30 ` Greg KH
2025-09-06 13:51 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-06 15:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-06 18:50 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-06 19:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-08 9:11 ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-08 11:59 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-08 20:11 ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-09 11:29 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-09 13:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-09-09 14:18 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-09-09 14:35 ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-09 14:42 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-09 14:48 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-09 14:50 ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-09 15:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-09-09 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-09 17:08 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-09 17:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-09 17:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-09 18:31 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-09 19:36 ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-10 1:12 ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-10 12:19 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-09 17:25 ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-09 17:56 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-09 18:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-09 18:13 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-09 18:06 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-09 18:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-09 18:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-09 21:05 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-10 1:33 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-09 14:44 ` Greg KH
2025-09-09 15:14 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-09-09 16:32 ` [RFC] b4 dig: Add AI-powered email relationship discovery command Sasha Levin
2025-09-09 17:22 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-09 17:26 ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-09 18:54 ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2025-09-10 10:13 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-10 10:55 ` Sasha Levin
2025-09-10 11:29 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-10 13:38 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-10 14:03 ` Andrew Dona-Couch
2025-09-11 14:48 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2025-09-11 15:05 ` Sasha Levin
2025-09-11 19:13 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2025-09-11 19:57 ` Sasha Levin
2025-09-15 11:26 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-15 11:48 ` Sasha Levin
2025-09-15 12:03 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-11 23:24 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-07 22:04 ` [GIT PULL] io_uring fix for 6.17-rc5 Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-05 19:04 ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-05 19:07 ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-05 19:13 ` Caleb Sander Mateos
2025-09-05 19:16 ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-05 19:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-05 19:23 ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-05 19:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-05 19:30 ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-05 20:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-06 0:01 ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-07 18:47 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-08 22:15 ` Alexei Starovoitov
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