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From: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
To: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] optimise local-tw task resheduling
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 17:50:28 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On 3/13/23 14:16, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 3/12/23 9:45?PM, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
>>>>> Didn't take a closer look just yet, but I grok the concept. One
>>>>> immediate thing I'd want to change is the FACILE part of it. Let's call
>>>>> it something a bit more straightforward, perhaps LIGHT? Or LIGHTWEIGHT?
>>>>
>>>> I don't really care, will change, but let me also ask why?
>>>> They're more or less synonyms, though facile is much less
>>>> popular. Is that your reasoning?
>>
>>> Yep, it's not very common and the name should be self-explanatory
>>> immediately for most people.
>>
>> That's exactly the problem. Someone will think that it's
>> like normal tw but "better" and blindly apply it. Same happened
>> before with priority tw lists.
> 
> But the way to fix that is not through obscure naming, it's through
> better and more frequent review. Naming is hard, but naming should be
> basically self-explanatory in terms of why it differs from not setting
> that flag. LIGHTWEIGHT and friends isn't great either, maybe it should
> just be explicit in that this task_work just posts a CQE and hence it's
> pointless to wake the task to run it unless it'll then meet the criteria
> of having that task exit its wait loop as it now has enough CQEs
> available. IO_UF_TWQ_CQE_POST or something like that. Then if it at some

There are 2 expectations (will add a comment)
1) it's posts no more that 1 CQE, 0 is fine

2) it's not urgent, including that it doesn't lock out scarce
[system wide] resources. DMA mappings come to mind as an example.

IIRC is a problem even now with nvme passthrough and DEFER_TASKRUN

> point gets modified to also encompass different types of task_work that
> should not cause wakes, then it can change again. Just tossing
> suggestions out there...

I honestly don't see how LIGHTWEIGHT is better. I think a proper
name would be _LAZY_WAKE or maybe _DEFERRED_WAKE. It doesn't tell
much about why you would want it, but at least sets expectations
what it does. Only needs a comment that multishot is not supported.

-- 
Pavel Begunkov

  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-13 17:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-10 19:04 [RFC 0/2] optimise local-tw task resheduling Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-10 19:04 ` [RFC 1/2] io_uring: add tw add flags Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-10 19:04 ` [RFC 2/2] io_uring: reduce sheduling due to tw Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-11 17:24 ` [RFC 0/2] optimise local-tw task resheduling Jens Axboe
2023-03-11 20:45   ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-11 20:53     ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-12 15:31       ` Jens Axboe
2023-03-13  3:52         ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-12 15:30     ` Jens Axboe
2023-03-13  3:45       ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-13 14:16         ` Jens Axboe
2023-03-13 17:50           ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2023-03-13 22:01             ` Jens Axboe
2023-03-16 12:25   ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-15  2:35 ` Ming Lei
2023-03-15 16:53   ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-16  1:25     ` Ming Lei

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