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Wysocki" , dan.j.williams@intel.com, Caleb Sander Mateos , io-uring , workflows@vger.kernel.org References: <9ef87524-d15c-4b2c-9f86-00417dad9c48@kernel.dk> <20250905-sparkling-stalwart-galago-8a87e0@lemur> <68bf3854f101b_4224d100d7@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> <5922560.DvuYhMxLoT@rafael.j.wysocki> <20250909071818.15507ee6@kernel.org> <92dc8570-84a2-4015-9c7a-6e7da784869a@kernel.dk> <20250909-green-oriole-of-speed-85cd6d@lemur> <497c9c10-3309-49b9-8d4f-ff0bc34df4e5@suse.cz> Content-Language: en-US From: Jens Axboe In-Reply-To: <497c9c10-3309-49b9-8d4f-ff0bc34df4e5@suse.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9/9/25 8:48 AM, Vlastimil Babka wrote: > On 9/9/25 16:42, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 08:35:18AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote: >>>>> On a global scale, that's quite a number of saved mailing list archive searches. >>>> >>>> +1 FWIW. I also started slapping the links on all patches in a series, >>>> even if we apply with a merge commit. I don't know of a good way with >>>> git to "get to the first parent merge" so scanning the history to find >>>> the link in the cover letter was annoying me :( >>> >>> Like I've tried to argue, I find them useful too. But after this whole >>> mess of a thread, I killed -l from my scripts. I do think it's a mistake >>> and it seems like the only reason to remove them is that Linus expects >>> to find something at the end of the link rainbow and is often >>> disappointed, and that annoys him enough to rant about it. >>> >>> I know some folks downstream of me on the io_uring side find them useful >>> too, because they've asked me several times to please remember to ensure >>> my own self-applied patches have the link as well. For those, I tend to >>> pick or add them locally rather than use b4 for it, which is why they've >>> never had links. >>> >>> As far as I can tell, only two things have been established here: >>> >>> 1) Linus hates the Link tags, except if they have extra information >>> 2) Lots of other folks find them useful >>> >>> and hence we're at a solid deadlock here. >> >> I did suggest that provenance links use the patch.msgid.link subdomain. This > > Yes, and the PR that started this thread had a normal lore link. Would it > have been different with a patch.msgid.link as perhaps Linus would not try > opening it and become disappointed? > You did kinda ask that early in the thread but then the conversation went in > different directions. I think we all know the answer to that one - it would've been EXACTLY the same outcome. Not to put words in Linus' mouth, but it's not the name of the tag that he finds repulsive, it's the very fact that a link is there and it isn't useful _to him_. -- Jens Axboe