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From: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
To: Jeremy Allison <[email protected]>
Cc: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>,
	Stefan Metzmacher <[email protected]>,
	io-uring <[email protected]>,
	Samba Technical <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Data Corruption bug with Samba's vfs_iouring and Linux 5.6.7/5.7rc3
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 12:58:07 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200507185507.GF25085@jeremy-acer>

On 5/7/20 12:55 PM, Jeremy Allison wrote:
> On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 12:35:42PM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 5/7/20 12:31 PM, Jeremy Allison wrote:
>>>
>>> Look at how quickly someone spotted disk corruption
>>> because of the change in userspace-visible behavior
>>> of the io_uring interface. We only shipped that code
>>> 03 March 2020 and someone *already* found it.
>>
>> I _think_ that will only happen on regular files if you use RWF_NOWAIT
>> or similar, for regular blocking it should not happen. So I don't think
>> you're at risk there, though I do think that anyone should write
>> applications with short IOs in mind or they will run into surprises down
>> the line. Should have been more clear!
> 
> Well we definitely considered short IOs writing the
> server code, but as the protocol allows that to be
> visible to the clients (in fact it has explicit
> fields meant to deal with it) it wasn't considered
> vital to hide them from clients.

Yes, and in case my reply wasn't totally clear, it was more of a general
observation, not directed at Samba specifically!

> We'll certainly fix up short reads for the iouring
> module, but it's less clear we should mess with
> our existing blocking threaded pread/pwrite code
> to deal with them. Possibly goes into the bucket
> of "belt and braces, couldn't possibly hurt" :-).

Agree, belts and suspenders for the regular pread/pwrite, that's a fair
position.

> Thanks for the clarification !

Thanks for getting this fleshed out! Impressed with the speed at which
we got to the bottom of this.

-- 
Jens Axboe


      reply	other threads:[~2020-05-07 18:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-05 10:04 Data Corruption bug with Samba's vfs_iouring and Linux 5.6.7/5.7rc3 Stefan Metzmacher
2020-05-05 14:41 ` Jens Axboe
2020-05-05 15:44   ` Jens Axboe
2020-05-05 16:53     ` Jens Axboe
2020-05-05 17:39       ` Jens Axboe
2020-05-05 17:48         ` Jeremy Allison
2020-05-05 17:50           ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]           ` <[email protected]>
2020-05-06 10:33             ` Stefan Metzmacher
2020-05-06 10:41               ` Stefan Metzmacher
     [not found]               ` <[email protected]>
2020-05-06 14:08                 ` Stefan Metzmacher
2020-05-06 14:43                   ` Andreas Schneider
2020-05-06 14:46                   ` Andreas Schneider
2020-05-06 15:06                     ` Stefan Metzmacher
2020-05-06 17:03                   ` Jeremy Allison
2020-05-06 17:13                     ` Jeremy Allison
2020-05-06 18:01                     ` Jeremy Allison
2020-05-05 20:19       ` Stefan Metzmacher
2020-05-06 12:55         ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-05-06 15:20           ` Stefan Metzmacher
2020-05-06 15:42             ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-05-07 16:43               ` Jens Axboe
2020-05-07 16:48                 ` Jeremy Allison
2020-05-07 16:50                   ` Jens Axboe
2020-05-07 18:31                     ` Jeremy Allison
2020-05-07 18:35                       ` Jens Axboe
2020-05-07 18:55                         ` Jeremy Allison
2020-05-07 18:58                           ` Jens Axboe [this message]

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